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[johnnyenglish]

I remember saying some months ago that the integrated GPU will be quite good on the mainstream segment. They will completely obliterate mid tier Graphics Cards.

Now, we see 16 cores and 40 RDNA 3.5 Compute Units on the horizon. I strongly believe that it should bring 6700XT levels of performance, or more.... Who knows?

This could mean 1080p ultra or maybe 1440p Medium settings.

Whats your take? Will you be fine with a nice build while having a blank spot on the PCIe slot? Or just migrate towards powerful Laptops, SFF and NUCs?

Will GPU's be a niche market for content creators, enthusiasts and professionals?

Should the PC go in this direction? Appeal the easy consumer that just wants to sit on the couch with a powerful system on the TV and game on?

I think this is a perfect path for AMD, Nvidia doesn't have something like this, yet. (unless you count the Tegra). Leading them into a growing market.

[FunkZ]

AMD already owns the console market, and for other integrated solutions like laptop/mobile this is the future. The downside is any upgrade is a complete hardware replacement.

Desktops don't offer the same level of integration or performance as they must support both IGP and Discrete graphics. Unless AMD decides to go back to a dedicated APU socket (like the FM1/FM2) to support Strix processors.

[johnnyenglish]

This is something that takes time, we've seen in the past the APU solution, but at that time, it was't the "time" for it yet. Let it get traction and Desktop will soon lose mid tier GPUs.

7500XT & RTX4050 are the first victims and the 7600XT was left to AIBs only. I wouldn't be surprised if next generation of Radeon cards are only 8800/8700XT to compete with maybe the 5080(?) and 5070 leaving the Nvidia 90 series untouched again.

Give it some time, a couple of years of course. If the Ryzen MAX shows respectable performance, even nvidia will think about it. In fact, they'll probably just re-release another version of a 4060 and call it a day instead of going the 5060 route.

Yeah, Nvidia, I'm looking at you and your capped 3050/4070 re-releases.


This move seems to be a way to own the market completely like they do, as you said, with the consoles.
... and Intel is a bit fragile at this time to tackle this. I would expect more fierce competition coming from Apple silicon.

[Axxemann]

The day I can no longer get a graphics card for my PC is the day I hang it up and stay on console.

[johnnyenglish]

Just the mid tier. We still need them. Nvidia needs them for their AI thingy.

The internet needs AI generated Pr0n going. 🤣

[Axxemann]

I don't buy into the AI garbage. I need a gaming card for my gaming PC.

Zekk from Avenue Q said it best.

[ajlueke]

Generally I have been fine with APUs.  The future is fusion after all.

I used an FM1 A8-3870 in a build for my parents and have since upgraded their systems to 5700G based processors.  However, I did ultimately install discrete GPUs in both systems due to the photo editing software my mom uses benefiting massively from dedicated Graphics RAM.

In my own house, I had typically run a small HTPC upstairs for streaming movies off my server downstairs.  In that server I had run an Athlon 200 and most recently a 5700G set to a 35W TDP.  However, I also use it to stream games off the bulky PC downstairs, and after upgrading to a 4K 120Hz monitor, I wanted to match resolution upstairs.

There was no way of doing native HDMI 2.1 over the APU without upgrading to socket AM5.  It was actually cheaper just to get an RX 6400 and drop it into my small for factor PC.  However, options are extremely limited in this market due to very few half height "slim" GPU options.

So I think a chip like this would certainly be useful in my parents situation for some productivity work.  I could definitely see it as an option for the mid range gaming crowd as well, since the low to mid range have ceased to exist over the last few generations of escalating prices.  But it should really fine a home in a slimer form factor where you can play around with cooling and not needing to squeeze a physical GPU in there.

But more than likely, this is going to mobile AI development workstations and I doubt we will get DIY parts for this.  Due to AM5 having the high IHS to maintain compatibility with AM4 coolers, I doubt you'd want to shove a big IGPU under that.  They'd have to do a whole new socket.  

[gregory01]

AMD has already established dominance in the console market, and for other integrated platforms like laptops and mobile devices, this seems to be the way forward. However, one drawback remains: upgrades typically require a full hardware replacement.

Desktops, on the other hand, can't match the same level of seamless integration or performance, as they need to accommodate both integrated and discrete graphics solutions. A potential shift could happen if AMD reintroduces a dedicated APU socket, similar to the old FM1/FM2, to support processors like Strix.

[Bfmsonay]

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@johnnyenglish wrote:

I remember saying some months ago that the integrated GPU will be quite good on the mainstream segment. They will completely obliterate mid tier Graphics Cards.

Now, we see 16 cores and 40 RDNA 3.5 Compute Units on the horizon. I strongly believe that it should bring 6700XT levels of performance, or more.... Who knows?

This could mean 1080p ultra or maybe 1440p Medium settings.
Should the PC go in this direction? Appeal the easy consumer that just wants to sit on the couch with a powerful system on the TV and game on?

I think this is a perfect path for AMD, Nvidia doesn't have something like this, yet. (unless you count the Tegra). Leading them into a growing market.

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We're getting to the point where they might even outperform mid-tier dedicated graphics cards. With the upcoming processors featuring 16 cores and 40 RDNA 3.5 compute units, I believe we're looking at performance levels close to or surpassing the 6700XT. It’s not far-fetched to expect these iGPUs to handle 1080p ultra settings easily, or even push 1440p at medium.