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Adept II
Adept II

The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

Why does AMD media pay reviewers to publish articles of non existing products. Do they want us just not to buy new Intel and NVidia products?

When i want to order a new RTX 30xx product, I get in a waiting queue, same with Intel processors. But with AMD products, no waiting Queues, just not even able to order the product.

By this I only can have the conclusion, that all media around the "new" Ryzen and Radion products are fake, because the never can deliver the products, otherwise you would be able to order a product.

Maybe thats also why Europe is not on the list of regions to order because AMD is afraid for fines due to false marketing.

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Big Boss
Big Boss

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

I know it sucks to not be able to get a new product day one but this is not new this year even. It has always been like this. Here in the USA, not many retailers offered preorders on the new Nvidia cards and from reports those that did still have not filled all of those. 

Regardless those policies are dictated by the retailers, not AMD, Nvidia or Intel. 

As expected todays launch did sell out fast. 

I will say that I think AMD when they announced the product did lead end users to believe that it would have better availability than the Nvidia cards did and from the way it looks it wasn't significantly different. And they should not claim otherwise unless they can deliver. 

However at the end of the day demand has never been higher than this year and availability has always been limited upon launches as long as I can remember. 

The cards do exist they did sell them in lots of retailers but not being available in all markets does not surprise me. 

I know for instance here where I am our local Micro Center only got about a handful of both cards at the store. So those too went instantly. I know this as I have a friend that camped out since yesterday afternoon to get one. 

I guess if you can find where they claimed they would have what you expected you have a reasonable argument. And I personally am disappointed as I too think it is near a paper launch but they did have product.

Next week partner cards will be out and maybe that will be better but I would not count on that either. 

Here in the USA I don't know of anywhere you can get on a list to buy a RTX card either. Other than EVGA who will send you an email when stock comes in to their own store, but they don't reserve one for you. 

I definitely can't call Ryzen 5xxx fake as I know several people who already got them and in these forums there are already quite a few support questions on them so they are out there. I would expect them to be out in bigger number much sooner than GPUs.  

By your logic of a real product only being real if you can buy one, well I can't even find a single last gen RTX card available right now anywhere, but the sure as heck existed, I have 2 of them. 

Be patient and just keep trying. I fear a lot of people unfortunately may be waiting to close to the end of quarter one 2021 for things to normalize. 

 

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Exemplar
Exemplar

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

One vendor to keep your eye on is Best Buy.  Apparently their stock did not go live today and the cards are still listed as "Coming Soon".  Not sure when Best Buy plans on listing them, but they did put stronger anti-bot measures in place.  NVidia even routed all their FE RTX 3000 sales to them.

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Journeyman III
Journeyman III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

I expect this sort of thing from a Mom and Pop shop but a company as big as AMD not being able to have at least in the hundreds of thousands by their own launch date.  Come on now.  They already saw what happened to Nvidia so don't try to make this look like a supply and demand issue.  There was never even close to enough supply to even come close to the demand.  Best Buy received nothing, B&H received nothing, Micro Center received 12, New Egg - nothing.  The product was not sold out, it simply wasn't there to begin with.  Even on the AMD site.

This is definitely not the way a big business works.  Not in the USA.  How often do you hear this about phones or shoes?  The always have enough of the product on day 1

This was unacceptable.  I didn't like when Nvidia did it and AMD has just duplicated the same selfish process.

 

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Adept II
Adept II

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

I think companies need to get sued by government when they advertise products what cannot be deliverted and fullfill at least 75% of the demand in the first week. Now they keep us at a leash. Already waiting for weeks for my 5900X and sorry, but 2 weeks is long, but this it is bull**bleep**. And now I did see that there are reviewers got 2 or 3 cards. sorry, but Reviewers are not customers, I am a Customer. And it is simple, in Januari I need to decide what platform the datacenter goes to. And the one who ships me the first card privately ordered gets the business deal.

And they have the product for weeks in the planning, so why not like other business, have at least a fair amount of products available, or just delay the launch.

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Big Boss
Big Boss

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.


@alexanderjc7325 wrote:

I expect this sort of thing from a Mom and Pop shop but a company as big as AMD not being able to have at least in the hundreds of thousands by their own launch date.  Come on now.  They already saw what happened to Nvidia so don't try to make this look like a supply and demand issue.  There was never even close to enough supply to even come close to the demand.  Best Buy received nothing, B&H received nothing, Micro Center received 12, New Egg - nothing.  The product was not sold out, it simply wasn't there to begin with.  Even on the AMD site.

This is definitely not the way a big business works.  Not in the USA.  How often do you hear this about phones or shoes?  The always have enough of the product on day 1

This was unacceptable.  I didn't like when Nvidia did it and AMD has just duplicated the same selfish process.

 



I can't speak to what AMD's numbers are but even as thin as the Nvidia launch were, they confirmed they had more ready at launch than on any previous generation. 

If you waited until you had enough for everyone that might want one before launch it would be 6 months more anyway. At least this way some do get them as they trickle out. 

It will be interesting to see what if AMD does make a statement on how many cards were available and how that compares to prior launches for them. 

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Big Boss
Big Boss

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.


@wim-bart wrote:

I think companies need to get sued by government when they advertise products what cannot be deliverted and fullfill at least 75% of the demand in the first week. Now they keep us at a leash. Already waiting for weeks for my 5900X and sorry, but 2 weeks is long, but this it is bull**bleep**. And now I did see that there are reviewers got 2 or 3 cards. sorry, but Reviewers are not customers, I am a Customer. And it is simple, in Januari I need to decide what platform the datacenter goes to. And the one who ships me the first card privately ordered gets the business deal.

And they have the product for weeks in the planning, so why not like other business, have at least a fair amount of products available, or just delay the launch.



You realize right now that even appliances are in low supply. With all the people at home the demand is higher for in home products. Jay Two Cents had a good video on this the other day pointing out many item you can't get. He even pointed out about construction folks can't even get concrete right now. 

So are you going to sue GE because the fridge you want isn't in stock. 

Again I get the disappointment and frustration. I am a lot more mad at those that abuse the system with bots and such than I am at AMD for not having more manufacturing capacity to meet demand. These companies would love to sell as many as they can as fast as they can. You only have a finite window to sell this stuff before people are on to the next gen product frenzy. 

I can't even begin to count how many times in the past I went to get an ADVERTISED product at a retailer that was out of stock. It's been like this for over 60 years of my existence. I remember waiting in line at best buy for over 12 hours in a line that went around the building to get an AGP GPU 25 years ago to have the guy in front of me get the last one, it sucks.

One thing that might be nice in todays retail would be a return to having RAIN CHECKS. At least if you went in for one you could make sure you got the next on. If you went shopping first you ought to get first dibs when available. I don't know many retailers that offer this still though. 

 

 

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Adept II
Adept II

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

I did order a 3080FE, at least I was able to order it. As it now looks like at my local Dutch reseller I am placed #53 in the queue. And every day I see myself move up in the queue. I wanted to do the same with a 5900X, but the prices here are much higher then in other countries for example like Portugal, and sorry, but then I wait until processor is cheaper here (normal price). But the 6800XT I cannot even order here. So I think Intel/NVidia makes more chance for the datacenter, because if a consumer product already takes so much time to order, I am afraid the datacenter products will keep even longer.

As an example, my 1700 I could order at launch date, got it in 5 weeks, but there was a lot of information about it by my reseller, my 3900X i ordered at launch, took 2 weeks before I got it, but information was good. 5900X goes for prices with to much difference then the AMD proposed price, so I wait. My Asus RX480, ordered at launch, 2 days later at home, my Asus RX 580 top, ordered at launch, 1 week later at home, my Powercolor 5700XT, within one week after powercolor anounced it. But now we are not even able to order a 6800XT.

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Esteemed Contributor III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

I think it was a paper launch to satisfy sharehoilder promises. 

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Esteemed Contributor III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

You would be much better to wait for AIB GPU launch from Sapphire anyhow. 
Look at the Gamers Nexus Teardown video of the AMD reference GPU.

Gamers Nexus RX 6800 XT Teardown Video: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s7bOaa6X9E

Plenty of room for improvement.