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colesdav
MVP

Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

I am looking for a new Laptop for first time in years.

I do not think the AMD 4000 series mobile notebooks will do that well because of bad previous history on quality, and switchable graphics failure.
Radeon Mobile GPU are weak.
No Thunderbolt 3 support.

I have already posted this: https://community.amd.com/message/2968674?commentID=2968674 
Which explains my thoughts on the situation.

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pokester
MVP

Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

I'd be willing to bet the firm that handled the core count lawsuit successfully is already looking at this. 

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Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

Price though. At B&H the lowest priced laptop with a Thunderbolt 3 port and an 8 core processor is $1800. Granted it's spec'd very nicely for $1800, it's still $1800...

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pokester
MVP

Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

I agree and get the sentiment but at the end of the day we really only have a couple choices and if you are itching to buy, most are not going to hold off on principle to punish the company they feel wronged by. I can say though that I will likely skip Zen3 and wait for 4 and a new socket. AMD just cost themselves a sale as it makes no practical reason for me to do an incremental upgrade this year. 

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colesdav
MVP

Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

Powerful laptops are expensive. I prefer PC if possible.
I still wait to see what HP Omen and Dell Alienware will come up with.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

The question becomes how much do you want to sacrifice to get the price down for the Thunderbolt 3 port.

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sol
Adept II

Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

pokester wrote:

at the end of the day we really only have a couple choices 

that's how i got to amd actually - basically was cornered by nvidia and intel hardcore anti-consumer behavior. I even bought an FX cpu! So if amd and radeon start demonstrating the same behavior, i'm pretty much out of options but second hand market, which i'm cool with. 

Good for me AMD right now is nowhere near those orders of anti-consumer magnitudes as competitors, tho this AM4 debacle makes me nervous a bit. 

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hardcoregames_
Big Boss

Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

THUNDERSPY – HARDCORE GAMES™ 

Somebody was able to break into a machine via thunderbolt

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sunbzcut
Journeyman III

Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

I was building a new PC for the first time since Phenom II. I had not had a desk top for several years since the last one died. Wife let me pick out parts for a 15 year anniversary gift and I went with AMD because there seemed to be indications of future upgradeability which specifically appealed to me. 

I went with a MSI B450 Tomahawk max since it was in there post about future compatibility as well. I saw this announcement recently about no future processor support for B450 and now I feel a little salty. I just built this thing earlier this year and now it appears my future upgrade paths I had in mind is a dead end.

Maybe it is my simple-novice-PC mind but, it appears from what I am reading now that B450 is essentially a one processor generation chipset. B550 since it is being released after Ryzen 3000 may essentially also be a single generation chipset for 4000 series. Am I missing something?As a brand that seemed to be marketed as upgradeable with I bios flash this does not seem to be the case.  

I think for novices like me it would be SIMPLER and LESS confusing if you changed the socket or socket name! To a novice like me, the socket tells me what processor I can potentially use. This is how it seemed to me in my limited previous experience. If I see AM4 I think an AM4 processor should work. Even I can understand I may have to flash a bios to get it to work, but it should be capable. In math I learned if both sides of the equal sign match they are equal.  Apparently in AMD world, AM4 ≠ AM4.

Make it less confusing, change the name when you plan to cut support. Just saying, I wouldn’t be so salty if the word then had been next gen processors will use socket “X” instead of next gen processors will use “AM4”.

This was as confusing as when I learned USB 3.0 = USB 3.1 except when USB 3.1 ≠ USB 3.1, because then USB 3.1 > USB 3.0 AMD USB 3.1 because of some GEN thingy.  Yes AMD you just went there.

I was going to build another PC for my wife to use in her office. Please excuse me now as I have RMAs to request.

-Salty Novice

Re: BOMBSHELL: NO Ryzen 4000 Series "Zen 3" support for 300/400 series chipset motherboards

Thunderbolt can be used in a "Dirty Nanny" attack to hack into a machine without leaving a trace.

https://wccftech.com/thunderbolt-security-flaw-in-intel-chips-affects-all-compatible-macs-and-pcs/

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