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Lisa Su: RX Vega "No later than July"

Discussion created by black_zion on May 23, 2017
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AMD CEO : Gaming RX Vega Launching "Very Soon" After Frontier Edition - Out By July At The Latest

Dr. Lisa Su, President & CEO at AMD
We’re very excited about Vega. Vega is a brand new architecture and actually has really the world’s most advanced memory architecture for GPUs. What we did announce at our analyst day was that the first shipping Vega will be the Frontier Edition which will ship with 16GB of memory and will ship towards the latter half of June. You will see the enthusiast gaming platform, the machine learning platform, the professional graphics platform very soon thereafter. And so we will be launching Vega across all of the market segments over the next couple of months.

I pray AMD releases Windows 8.1 drivers for it, because I found a nice little jewel Amazon.com: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 XTREME Gaming Water Cooling Video Card (GV-N1080XTREME W-8GD): Computers & Accesso… and I'd rather jump to Team Green than Windows 10, though I'm wondering if I should be holding my breath after seeing no support for the RX 580...

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bearcat22 May 24, 2017 8:37 AM
Brand loyalty isn't as important as getting the card you feel is right for you. If you start playing the waiting game for computer parts you'll probably never buy anything. If this is the card you want, buy it now.
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- black_zion @ bearcat22 on May 24, 2017 3:36 PM
  No it's not the card I want, I want RX Vega, and I'll be happy to pay the "new release tax" and get it on day 1, but it comes down to the fact that if there are no Windows 8.1 drivers, AMD is no longer an option.
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  - gkeawe @ black_zion on May 25, 2017 6:02 PM
    I'm waiting for the Vega too, because I know they will have a decent sized memory bus width. Besides I already have a 1080 and I'm not really impressed with NVidia right now. I'm running an XFX R9 390 in my Ryzen 7 1700 and it runs better than a 1080 go figure.
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- tonkatruck @ bearcat22 on Jun 11, 2017 1:33 AM
  Patiently waiting for Vega as well I have the 1800x and x370 Pro with all new DD4 just missing this to upgrade from my gtx 950 lol
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gigabytes May 25, 2017 7:26 PM
I just bought a cheaper RX480 to hold me over till Vega comes. Vega will be the 4k upgrade so will require me also buying 4k TV and 4k monitor, have my eye on a TV just waiting for a sale or a good price match.
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kingfish Jun 2, 2017 1:50 AM
AMD's Epyc Servers Launch June 20, Consumer Vega GPUs Follow in July - ExtremeTech

As for consumer Vega, AMD has stated it will launch the card at SIGGRAPH, an industry event from July 30 – August 2nd. This fulfills Lisa Su’s earlier remarks about launching consumer Vega within a couple of months (from mid-May). But SIGGRAPH is a professional event, not the sort of place where one normally launches a consumer graphics card. It’s possible that AMD plans to do a joint announcement at the show, with a combined professional and consumer launch, but we’re still wondering about what kind of availability and pricing AMD will be able to offer to the general market.
Best-case, the company has engaged in some sleight-of-hand to bring a more potent GPU to the consumer space than many are expecting.
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- bearcat22 @ kingfish on Jun 2, 2017 6:56 AM
  Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she say there will be an announcement about Vega at SIGGRAPH. Like it was an announcement about an announcement. Not really a confirmation when the card will go on sale. Plus it was kind of odd they had to use two cards in crossfire to run Prey in 4K. And on top of that there was screen tearing. I wonder if she contacted AMD support and they told her they were aware of the problem and it might be fixed with a future driver update. Lol.
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- black_zion @ kingfish on Jun 2, 2017 7:47 AM
  Availability is going to be very limited to about 15,000 cards worldwide we know, though given AMD's really horrible stock coolers it's not such a bad thing unless you're someone who will also drop a couple hundred on a waterblock. At least we should find out if Windows 8.1 will be getting the shaft though.
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  - qwixt @ black_zion on Jun 2, 2017 1:15 PM
    Even NVidia suffers the same problem at release. Scalpers buy a lot of the limited quantity at release. So you have to constantly watch places for "normal" stock to be available at retail prices, and that's for the reference version. Then there will be some driver hiccups, so if I was buying vega, it would probably 6 months or next year before I would get it. Kind of happy with my decision to get the 1080 ti at this point.
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    - black_zion @ qwixt on Jun 2, 2017 5:02 PM
      I'm probably going to be forced to buy the 1080 due to lack of Windows 8.1 driver support for Vega if the RX 500 series is any indication. I wish there were an official word on this... Not worth putting up with the Windows 10 headaches.
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      - colesdav @ black_zion on Jun 3, 2017 3:25 AM
        Hopefully they will have more advanced "AMD Crimson ReLive" type Linux Driver support for AMD Vega Cards.
        I watched the AMD Computex Event LiveStream and I was disappointed that very little information was available on Desktop Vega for Consumer.
        Maybe the GTX1080Ti is better than Vega for gaming already and Nvidia Volta is now approaching so Vega Desktop for Consumer is simply too late.
        
        Perhaps Radeon Vega Frontier Edition and Threadripper / Epyc is the understandable focus for AMD now.
        
        I thought the AMD Computex Event overall was very good, and the information on Threadripper and Eypc and new X399 platform was impressive.
        I was just about to order Ryzen 1800x build, but now holding off for more information on Threadripper and Eypc and new X399 platform.
        CPU choices from AMD are improving so fast at the moment it seems like holding off and waiting as long as possible is the best bet for me.
        
        Bye.
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  - rebelyell @ black_zion on Jul 5, 2017 3:30 AM
    hey dont forget win 7 .. dang im not done yet.
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gigabytes Jun 2, 2017 2:34 PM
Just to inject my opinion, Windows 10 is superior to Window 8.1 is virtually every way.
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- black_zion @ gigabytes on Jun 2, 2017 5:00 PM
  If Windows 10 updates and upgrades were as reliable as Windows 7 and 8 (didn't break things, didn't have the ability to uninstall things, didn't have the ability to deny installation of things, weren't mandatory), and weren't ungodly huge (some of us have tiny data caps), I'd consider 10 as the other annoyances and privacy settings can be controlled with third party apps, but honestly I can't say Windows 10 has any advantage over Windows 8.1 for me, especially given that Ryzen experiences lower performance on 10 than 7 and 8.1.
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  - black_zion @ black_zion on Jun 3, 2017 10:10 AM
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  - qwixt @ black_zion on Jun 3, 2017 12:32 PM
    You need to pay the pro tax if you get Win 10, and get the pro version to control updates. That's what I did. Kind of ridiculous, but it is what it is. With the pro version, and liberal disabling of services and scheduled tasks, you can get win 10 behaving pretty much like previous versions when it comes to updates and privacy. I don't use any 3rd party things for it.
    
    I just counted, and I have 30 services disabled to keep my desktop from running remoting services and phone services, along with the disabled telemetry stuff for nvidia and windows.
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    - black_zion @ qwixt on Jun 3, 2017 4:14 PM
      As long as Microsoft doesn't deem a patch "critical", then you're going to get it even if it bricks your system.
      
      Windows 10 Creator's Update To Force "Critical" Updates Over Metered Connections
      
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      - kingfish @ black_zion on Jun 3, 2017 4:24 PM
        What message do you get with the Pro or Enterprise edition as qwixt mentioned? Is it still a 6 month time limit? Although to be fair, within 6 months a catastrophic update would have been acknowledged/ fixed by then. And video drivers would be updated several times by then....
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        goodplay @ kingfish on Jun 3, 2017 7:07 PM
        Last i heard is, 30 days hold off for general/cumulative updates. Up to 365 days for the threshold type upgrades.
        I'm on pro(1607),
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        qwixt @ goodplay on Jun 4, 2017 5:04 AM
        Yep, defer for 30 days.
        
        If you want to block drivers for a specific device, then this is how you do it
        
        How to Prevent Windows from Automatically Updating Specific Drivers
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- bearcat22 @ gigabytes on Jun 2, 2017 10:31 PM
  Windows 10 meets every requirement to be classified as a virus. I'll quit installing new hardware and quit playing new games before I put it on my machine.
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  - colesdav @ bearcat22 on Jun 3, 2017 3:35 AM
    Move to a popular Linux Distro if you can.
    I moved to Ubuntu for day to day use and it is working pretty well for me now.
    I still have swappable Windows 8.1.drive as well as a swappable Windows 10 installation which I only use to run DX12 titles on.
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  - gkeawe @ bearcat22 on Jun 4, 2017 5:05 AM
    Educate yourself people and quit complaining about issues that are well within your abilities as basic users. Overview of Windows as a service (Windows 10) | Microsoft Docs
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    - bearcat22 @ gkeawe on Jun 4, 2017 9:10 AM
      Article was written by
      Dani Halfin- Content Developer for the Windows and Device Group at Microsoft.
      Brian Litch- MSFT
      Enough said. I don't own a portable device. I have no use for Windows 10.
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colesdav Jul 1, 2017 5:18 AM
Hi,

This review of the AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition is just out:
The Radeon Vega Frontier Edition 16GB Air Cooled Review | PC Perspective

For anyone interested in purchasing an AMD Vega Frontier Edition I just found the following Gamers Nexus Teardown:
AMD Vega: Frontier Edition Tear-Down, Die Size, & Mounting Spacing | GamersNexus - Gaming PC Builds & Hardware Benchmark…
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kingfish Jul 4, 2017 6:37 AM
AMD confirms Radeon RX Vega will launch at SIGGRAPH 2017
AMD will launch Radeon RX Vega at SIGGRAPH between July 30 and August 3 in LA

The official Radeon Twitter account tweeted: "We can't wait to announce our new Vega products, including RX at this year's #SIGGRAPH - make sure to follow us for more details". Boom. Radeon RX Vega confirmed for an early August reveal, but I'm confident we'll hear much more from AMD between then and now, and I'm sure some NDAs will be thrown onto the table, too.

AMD launched its new Radeon Vega Frontier Edition recently, with some so-so gaming performance that rivals a GeForce GTX 1070, but even some of the largest people in the tech industry - including influential tech YouTubers, are comparing its gaming performance against gaming-focused cards. It's not a gaming-orientated card, but a professional card that can game if the owner wants to, instead of switching between graphics cards for professional, and then personal/gaming use.

Radeon RX Vega will be tuned for gaming, so expect improved gaming performance over the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition. We'll know more about it soon, and I'm sure with the amount of content you see me writing every day - you can count on the latest on Radeon RX Vega as it happens here at TweakTown.

AMD confirms Radeon RX Vega will launch at SIGGRAPH 2017
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- black_zion @ kingfish on Jul 4, 2017 10:52 AM
  "Influential tech YouTubers"... The original "Fake News" site. Heck, I imagine you could find a video of someone playing a modern AAA title on a HD 7850 at full details showing 60FPS if you looked hard enough.
  
  As for Vega, with it being an Infinity Fabric first generation product it's going to take time to get it perfect. Ryzen has been out for months now and it still has bugs to be worked out in AGESA as well as individual program issues.
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  - colesdav @ black_zion on Jul 4, 2017 9:43 PM
    The reviews I have seen have been by PC Perspectives and Gamers Nexus, not CNN.
    In that case I do not think they are "Fake News".
    
    The Gamers Nexus Tear Down, review, and initial benchmarks and PCB analysis seem to be pretty good, fair, and reliable to me.
    
    Both PC Perspectives and Gamers Nexus reviews seem to confirm Vega Frontier Edition is currently performing between than a GTX 1070 and 1080 when run in Gaming Mode with the latest VEGA FE Drivers.
    
    The Gaming Mode drivers probably need optimized and will likely improve after RX Vega Gaming Cards launch.
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    - black_zion @ colesdav on Jul 4, 2017 3:44 PM
      Please to note I was talking about YouTube, which is chock full of fake videos on everything not pornographical.
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      - kingfish @ black_zion on Jul 4, 2017 4:01 PM
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        whiskey-foxtrot @ kingfish on Jul 4, 2017 9:49 PM
        you owe me a new keyboard!!!
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      - colesdav @ black_zion on Jul 5, 2017 8:17 AM
        I was talking about Youtube also. PC Perspectives and Gamers Nexus both ran review summaries on YouTube.
        They both also have website based write up of their reviews.
        
        The PC Perspectives LiveStream Review on Youtube is here:
        Radeon Vega Frontier Edition LIVE Benchmarking - YouTube
        
        The Gamers Nexus Reviews are here:
        Radeon Vega: Frontier Edition Review | AMD's Enigma - YouTube
        AMD Vega: FE Tear-Down, Die Size, Mounting Spacing, & More - YouTube
        Radeon Vega: FE Vcore Behemoth - VRM & PCB Analysis - YouTube
        
        I also found this review which compares the Vega FE Edition to a GTX 1080Ti
        AMD Vega FE Overclocked Gaming Benchmarks - YouTube
        
        Cheers.
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        black_zion @ colesdav on Jul 5, 2017 7:17 AM
        PCPer and Gamer Nexus are reputable review sites, not some guy on Youtube.
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        colesdav @ black_zion on Jul 5, 2017 9:00 AM
        OK, so in any case most of the Youtube "reviews" or "comments" from "single guys on Youtube" refer to the PCPer/Gamers Nexus Reviews or #define guy who got the card first. And it does not seem that there is much disagreement between them all regarding the overall performance of the Vega FE when running games.
        
        The problem is they all show that the Vega FE is performing somewhere between a reference GTX 1070 and 1080 on games.
        The drivers used are the latest available from AMD for the Vega FE.
        The analysis of the voltage regulator on the Vega FE looks like it is very high quality, so an aftermarket card is unlikely to help much there. Maybe the HBM2 Vreg might be able to be improved ...
        
        Although the card is a blower type, again it does seem to be very well constructed, as it should be for $1000.
        
        Perhaps an internal 3 fan gaming cooler with a large vapour chamber and radiator cooling will help lots, but will it help improve gaming / firestrike performance by 30-40%?
        Maybe the Vega Chip needs watercooling?
        
        Since the Vega FE does seem to beat the Nvidia Titan-Xp in some places in the "Radeon-Pro" software space, it looks to me like the raw compute power is there.
        But remember these drivers are not Certified.
        
        Perhaps some new architecture feature of the RX Vega is not yet working when running DX11/DX12/Vulkan based Games.
        
        Setting the Vega FE driver in "gaming mode" just changes the Crimson Interface, not anything in the driver behaviour, according to reviewers who have been in touch with AMD to get information about it.
        
        To say that the Vega FE is "Not a gaming card" when it has a "gaming mode" in the driver is not really a good enough explanation for some.
        
        It does look to me like the Vega FE and Vega Chip is simply underperforming and hopefully that is because the the RX Drivers for gaming are not ready, at least on the Vega FE card.
        The fact that it is only 1 month before the RX Vega is supposed to be launched/announced does not seem great.
        I can remember that the AMD Crimson ReLive Driver, although it was a great improvement, took around 3 months after launch to work reliably enough to use on my System.
        
        If the gaming drivers for RX Vega are not ready then I think that releasing the Vega FE like this, even then though there was emphasis by AMD that this is not a card for gamers although you can run games on it, is a problem. Foe example I watched a review with AMD staff present in the review where they did a quick demo of Doom running on a Vega FE but they did not want the reviewer to show the game FPS!
        
        I think that AMD should try to properly address why the Vega FE Gaming performance is only between GTX 1070-1080 performance as soon as possible.
        Another month or two of more and more "dissapointing" gaming reviews done on the Vega FE before the RX Vega is released and available to reviewers is not good.
        
        I am really hoping that the RX Vega Cards perform better than the Vega FE in gaming and I am also hoping that the gaming performance of the
        Vega FE gets seriously improved and soon.
        
        I am in the market to purchase either a Titan Xp or a Vega FE/ High end RX Vega. And I have been "waiting for Vega" for almost too long now.
        Cheers.
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whiskey-foxtrot Jul 5, 2017 9:01 AM
So I have the FE's (had to get them for a test project) and my numbers are pretty much in line with what the other reviewers came up with. I expected these numbers for the most part, especially when it comes to the gaming side of things. Then again, I also did not get these cards to game with them.

One site I do not like to reference is "Videocardz", but so far their pre-release benchmarks have mostly been accurate and they've put a table up on what seems to be RX Vega, putting them in line with factory overclocked 1080's. Am I hyped up? You betcha - all I need now is my cooling manufacturer (EKWB) to come up with waterblocks with the next 2 months and I'll be a happy camper!

image and benchmark source: VideoCardz
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- colesdav @ whiskey-foxtrot on Jul 5, 2017 9:25 AM
  Thanks for those results,
  
  What is the difference between the #1 to #9 runs then?
  They all show 1620MHz/1890Mhz.
  Are they the Radeon Crimson Global/Profile Settings from default?
  Are they all different cards?
  I guess I will go and look at that site.
  
  In any case they all show numbers between
  a 1070 ~ $500
  and
  a 1080 ~ $650.
  
  all on air, not watercooled.
  
  Thanks.
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  - whiskey-foxtrot @ colesdav on Jul 5, 2017 9:39 AM
    That's one thing I could never figure out with their tests - they don't indicate the "+" values next to the core clock, so I'm assuming it's a core OC. All I care about is that it's well above my current stable OC settings of 1510 CC on my 480's (Oscar Mike )!
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    - colesdav @ whiskey-foxtrot on Jul 5, 2017 10:33 AM
      I don't know what to make of this article ... but here goes ...
      I really, really, hope it is true.
      
      AMD RX Vega Benchmark Leaked, Within Striking Distance Of 1080 Ti
      
      But still I think something needs to be done from AMD to address the Vega FE gaming performance seen by Gamers Nexus/ PC Perspectives.
      Maybe work with them and let them test early RX Vega driver based improvements in the Vega FE Drivers?
      
      Bye.
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      - whiskey-foxtrot @ colesdav on Jul 5, 2017 1:08 PM
        colesdav wrote:
        
        But still I think something needs to be done from AMD to address the Vega FE gaming performance seen by Gamers Nexus/ PC Perspectives.
        Maybe work with them and let them test early RX Vega driver based improvements in the Vega FE Drivers?
        
        I agree - I haven't looked at GDB info or reversed information on the current drivers yet - but as far as hardware is concerned, it's identical as far as I know, except that the RX-VEGA lists 8GB of HBM2. In theory we should see similar performance unless there's a specific switch in the current drivers on FE that limits the performance. If the FE could display the same gaming output as the RX version, I'd be willing to pay a higher premium on the FE's!
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        colesdav @ whiskey-foxtrot on Jul 5, 2017 2:00 PM
        Absolutely, very good point.
        
        I think Vega FE needs to have comparable gaming performance to the RX Vega cards, that way the addition of "Radeon-Pro" application could encourage gamers/enthusiasts to get into that area.
        
        Looking at it from another angle, I would like to be able to buy a high performance overclocked RX Vega for gaming and then pay for the
        mixed Radeon-Pro/Gaming Mode VEGA-FE driver as a separate software purchase to use with my RX Vega gaming card.
        
        If the hardware is essentially the same (maybe the amount of memory will be lower on the gaming cards) then the Vega FE driver should work on the gaming cards fine hopefully.
        
        I have asked this type of question before on the AMD forums, as I noted some of the WX7100s were based on the RX480/580.
        I was asking if it was possible to flash the BIOS on an RX480/580 to make it look like a W7100 so I could install the WX7100 driver and have a look at some Radeon-Pro applications without having to pay much more for the WX7100 card.
        
        Cheers.
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    - colesdav @ whiskey-foxtrot on Jul 5, 2017 1:59 PM
      I found this review interesting. How does the Vega FE compare to the R9 Fury X when run at the same GPU Clock speeds in "Radeon-Pro" applications and in Gaming.
      
      Vega FE vs. Fury X Clock-for-Clock: "IPC" Tested - YouTube
      
      It seems to suggest to me that the Vega FE is essentially running Fury X drivers for the games at present, and possibly not exploiting any of the new Vega Architecture features in the gaming tests so far.
      
      The Vega FE gaming performance is pretty much a tie with the Fury X when both GPU's are are clocked at the same speed during gaming.
      The Vega FE outperforms the Fury X cards significantly in "Radeon-Pro" applications when both cards are clocked at the same speeds.
      
      Bye.
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      - whiskey-foxtrot @ colesdav on Jul 5, 2017 3:26 PM
        I was one of the folks to request a Fury X comparison as I suspected the outcome et voila. There's definitely a lot of room to bring the FE to RX Vega standards. However, I do suspect driver conflicts when switching between Pro mode and Gaming mode (which I have already encountered). I wish I could delve deeper into this, but my workload for the next few weeks won't allow that - especially since this work revolves around the card pro-usage. I'm actually confident that future drivers will allow for full utilization of FE's.
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        colesdav @ whiskey-foxtrot on Jul 6, 2017 7:32 AM
        I hope you have a good experience with working on your Vega FE cards. Maybe when you have had more time working with the cards and complete your work you could give some feedback on what you think of the cards in "Radeon-Pro" applications you used?
        
        I just saw this review of the Vega FE in Crossfire this morning :
        AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition CrossFire Testing | PC Perspective
        
        Looks like again the Gaming Part of the drivers need serious improvement for this card, it may be just the titles chosen though.
        I am seeing some pretty good scaling with a pair of R9 Nano on a number of titles.
        
        Bye.
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foxman150 Jul 5, 2017 2:18 PM
I hope it can compete with the GTX 1080ti
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black_zion Jul 6, 2017 7:32 AM
RX Vega faster than GTX 1080...In meaningless 3DMark11.

AMD RX Vega Reportedly Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month | techPowerUp
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