PC Graphics

[theredspirit]

Ever since I got RX 580, I have been getting "wattman settings were reseted" on start-up or sometimes I get blank screen during POST. Sometimes this thing boots just fine. I will keep it short, does it exceed PCI-E power specification or not? RX 480 did that and RX 580 is just overclocked rebrand of it. I really hope that someone will give me some hope in this thing, because RX 580 is nothing but problems (Crazy amounts of heat, after 1 hour my whole room's temperature rises a few degrees and in area near desktop becomes Sahara, plus hot air is very dry. Power consumption. Yet thermals stay reasonable, around 70-75C. Performance is good, but it's a big turd otherwise)

Note: On my another computer RX 560 craps out in same fashion. Not gonna blame it on Radeon, since that thing has very weak mobo and it's possible that CPU may be causing those things. Even A4 6300 for that mobo was a bit too much. Once voltage was set in UEFI, problem went away.   

[theredspirit]

Thanks for info, but I don't really have software side issues and I think my PSU is single rail unit, so wouldn't it be the same if I plugged in another connector?

I really don't have the problem anymore after 4GHz overclock on CPU and I increased PCIe voltage and I haven't seen any problems yet, but I will keep in mind the advice of using another 8 pin connector. In my case it's 6+2 pin connector. And if we are talking about PCIe power connectors is there any difference between PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 power connectors? 

Here's a link to PSU website:

https://bulk.fsp-europe.com/fsp700-50arn-88 

[pokester]

Your are correct that on a single rail your are drawing from the same source. I have seen some supplies though that are regulated by each power lead coming off them, so it could show an issue on such a device. I have no idea what is inside of yours. As I said before, I doubt it's the issue, just easy to rule out by trying another lead.

[theredspirit]

Today I upgraded cooling a bit. I put in one PCI clot cooler from titan closest to CPU cooler as I could. Then added two Noiseblocker Black Silent Pros (40mm) into 5.25" cover. In the end, there is small reduction in temps and much more noise + my PC now looks like someone from early 2000s built as it has case mods, colorful LEDs, weird cooling choices, almost every PCI slot filled in and some 5.25" bays filled in. Still, it's not absolutely everything I could do with this case, but I think it would be a time to stop messing with this case and just give up. No matter how much I put work into it, it's just has poor airflow and is placed in quite bad location of room. Exhaust fan at the rear only has like 2-3 cm space between it and wall. 

In total this PC has 10 fans (1 CPU, 3 case fans, 1 case fan after mod, 2 5.25" fans, 2 GPU fans, 1 PSU modded fan), but all things considered it's not overly loud. I sometimes used rubber grommets, rubber frames, resistors, vibration dampeners to quiet it down.

[pokester]

These RX580's are just brutal on heat. I hear the Vega's are even worse. I leave the side of my case off. I have a desktop fan that I leave pointed directly into the case running. It helps a ton and is not noisy.

[theredspirit]

Figured out something recently. My wifi card was dropping connection again and I just uninstalled it and put in my PCI wifi card. Now I haven't seen any more wifi connection drop outs anymore. It looks like PCIe connectors were implemented in this board poorly. Also after replacement of wifi card, I noticed that GPU or CPU is used more as my 4GHz overclock wasn't very stable. 

I knew that 970 chipset had cut down PCIe lanes, but implementation of making sure that others connectors will be working is up to manufacturer. Asrock either cheaped out there or they don't know how to make them working. Either way, I'm glad I discovered this, but at the same time I'm dissapointed in the board I have got. I mean, it was its one of the main selling points that it is a full size ATX board with lots of connectors available. Now I know that they are pointless. I should have got Asrock 970M Pro3, so that it at least had some cooling on VRMs, but oh well... 

[theredspirit]

Meh, that doesn't work well either. Now with PCI card wifi is stable, but PC sometimes locks up completely, even when wifi isn't used much. This PC is driving me nuts.

[hardcoregames_]

The AMD 970 has a full 16 lanes for the video card slot. It is simply designed for one card as opposed to a CFX mashup.

Make sure the power cables are all snug and clipped properly.

Then check for BIOS updates and driver updates and hopefully your box will be more stable.

[theredspirit]

You are repeating yourself. Power cables are checked, there's no Crossfire here, board came with latest BIOS from the box. I can only try to flash the same version as there already is, but I fail to see the point of that. BTW it's version 2.80.

[theredspirit]

I reflashed BIOS anyway. Just for this moment, it looks like BIOS is less buggy. Now it reads fan RPMs correctly. I will have to spend soem time with it to report back what my experience was.

[hardcoregames_]

When you reflash your BIOS you also reset it so it appears you may have misconfigured it

[theredspirit]

Not necessarily. Sometimes flashes may not be done completely correctly. Anyway, there's really no way to set up BIOS incorrectly and have issues I had. The only things that may have been wrong are voltage or some obscure settings. BIOS itself doesn't let me set voltages too low, only on CPU it's possible to do so. But it wasn't a problem for sure as I have done lots of overclocking in past and tested out my latest overclock of 4GHz extensively in OCCT. I also in the past have reviewed all BIOS settings and looked up all their meanings if I couldn't understand some. I figured out everything I wanted, so there really wasn't a setting that was left unnoticed at some point. 

Plus if it was configuration mistake, my issue would have same symptoms all the time and wouldn't vary, when hardware is changed. It could only vary like that if voltage is incorrect, but then again, it would be easier to track down. All in all, I'm pretty confident that it wasn't user error here. 

BTW I had old Asus K8V SE board in the past and I got it from ebay. No matter how many times I reflashed it and tried to reconfigure it and tested hardware, there was unfixable firmware problem. After making sure it's not other hardware, I just threw it out. It's kinda sad, because it was quite good socket 754 mobo and I wanted replacement for my 13 year old DFI K8T800Pro-ALF. That DFI board has one RAM slot not working and I suspect it need recapping. I could fix it if I wanted to and I have some sweet high end retro hardware (WD Raptor 73GB, ATI X800 XT PE, 2GB DDR 400, Athlon 64 3400+, Audigy 2 ZS and maybe something else I'm forgetting now) to use with it, but I'm too lazy for that.

[hardcoregames_]

I do not use Asus anymore, boards do not last long and seen to fall apart on me.

MSI on the other hand has been rock solid so I have been using their boards.

I bought 4 sticks of DDR2 but one stick was borked for my old Acer ASE700 rig.So it only has 7GB as I put a 1GB stick in it to fill the slot.

Been building a new box with a R5 2400G CPU which I am hoping will be adequate for at least a few years. I have a MSI B350M bazooka motherboard for it so I am modernizing as I can afford it.

[theredspirit]

For me Asrock is the worst brand I have tried. These issues aside, their VRMs are often very weak. Gigabytes tend to be rock solid, even the cheap ones. Haven't tried MSI yet. Asus likes to put in useless stuff and overprice their stuff quite a bit, but their attention to also making solid product is visible too, sadly that old thing was ruined. DFI to me was rock solid too, it served well. Sadly DFI is gone and their LanParty boards too, which were de facto standard for every enthusiast. ROG stuff is mostly about style and that reflects in their price, but still Asus makes sure that there is good hardware too. Haven't used other brands, except some OEM boards.

[theredspirit]

BTW 2400G may last you a really long time, but only if you don't game with its iGPU. Some games are already too taxing for it to run truly well. If gaming matters to you and you wanna keep your rig for a while, then you should think about investing into RX 570 8GB.

[hardcoregames_]

theredspirit wrote:

BTW 2400G may last you a really long time, but only if you don't game with its iGPU. Some games are already too taxing for it to run truly well. If gaming matters to you and you wanna keep your rig for a while, then you should think about investing into RX 570 8GB.

I agree a dedicated card would be favorable but I can imaging somebody playing games on the Vega 11 graphics 

I use MX-4 which is better thermal material so I can leverage the cooler better.

[theredspirit]

Honestly, thermal paste doesn't do much of difference, unless you are going to use something as extreme as liquid metal. If you need to cool down CPU better than now, you can find some amazing new coolers for cheap. None of AMD stock coolers I have seen were actually any good. Maybe their biggest one with heatpipes is good, but I tried the small one 95 watt solution, which came with Athlon X4 870K. It's pretty bad cooler to be honest. Alpine 64 Plus beats it in thermals and acoustics. If you need something good and cheap, you could try Cooler Master Hyper 103 or Alpenfohn Sella. If you are willing to spend more on cooling, then Scythe Ninja 5 is the absolute winner. And yes it's Not Noctua, Be Quiet or another luxury brand.

[hardcoregames_]

I use MX-4 thermal material and it has been good in my shop

[pokester]

I like the Cooler Master Hyper 12 EVO and you can get them for about 30 bucks. 

[hardcoregames_]

pokester wrote:

I like the Cooler Master Hyper 12 EVO and you can get them for about 30 bucks. 

overkill for a 65W processor like my R5 2400G

[theredspirit]

212 EVO is overpriced. Plus it only comes with quite poor fans. They are quite loud and only have sleeve bearings.

It's not really an overkill for 2400G. I would say it's the highest end CPU cooler for 2400G. Anything more on it would just look and feel ridiculous, but 212 EVO is okay.

[pokester]

runs my i7-7700k at 5ghz on air so it works. 30 bucks is over priced? Overkill isn't ever bad unless your just paying way too much for it. What cooler are you using that is less than 30 the ones referenced earlier when I check online are all around the 60 dollar mark?

[hardcoregames_]

For a few pesos more a LNOX CPU cooler can squeeze more performance out of it. A tad expensive to operate a LNOX factory but the performance gains do get some bragging rights.

[pokester]

Mine came with the combo deal I bought. But I have been pretty happy with it's performance. Good to know what coolers out there are good as there are so many and how do you know. One review says good another bad. Like person says it's overkill and in the same post says the fans are bad. Which is it too good or too bad. It gets very convoluted. I just know mine works good for me. My dog sheds like crazy though and I can't believe how much ends up in the heat sink fins. So I blow it out about once a month.

[theredspirit]

So, PC hung up again, now during Youtube video. I'm pretty much out of ideas.

[hardcoregames_]

theredspirit wrote:

So, PC hung up again, now during Youtube video. I'm pretty much out of ideas.

That is no fun.

I use Win 10 1809 in my shop and it has been stable, even on really old rigs it works fine

It's a real challenge to identify the case of th crashing. Worse is that Microsoft changed the debug process and the minidumps are gone so a source of clues is now no longer available 

[theredspirit]

I had time like that with my previous motherboard in this same PC and I tried to fix it for at least 3 months. It was fruitless, until its replacement. I perfectly know what it feels like. In short it's not fun. That time it was hardware failure, this time I highly suspect Asrock BIOS. I wrote to Asrock support and asked them to fix it. Chances are slim that they will actually do that, but I saw the list of recently added BIOSes on their website and the latest added board is the one I have in other PC. I tried it out and it kinda works well, but that board is at absolute limits. With Athlon X4 870K, there's a lot of vDroop and due to that it fails in OCCT Linpack test. With turbo off and stock voltage it works well, but that's again, not fun.

At least after yesterday's BIOS updates in all PC's I managed to get the GIgabyte board to work correctly. So at the very least, there's one machine working well.

[evolution73]

This isn't a PCI-E problem. The RX 580 only draws 75 Watts max out of the PCI-E. Your board should easily handle that.

And while you PSU isn't the strongest, it should handle your system.

This seems to be a Adrenaline software issue. As other people are having the same issue. See some of the threads in the Driver/Software forums.