PC Drivers & Software

[GoLLuM13]

Hello,
I would like to report an issue that started with AGESA 1.2.0.5 and continues with AGESA 1.2.0.6 and 1.2.0.7 for Ryzen 3000 CPU owners.
Currently, I have BIOS 3801 based on AGESA 1.2.0.3 and SMU version for Matisse (Ryzen 3000) processors is 46.71.0.
On this BIOS version everything works as it should (apart from the fTPM problem with Windows 11 which causes a stutter supposed to be fixed with AGESA 1.2.0.7).
Since BIOS version 3904 (i.e. 3904 - 4002 - 4006 and 4201) the AGESA has gone from 1.2.0.3 to 1.2.0.5 then 1.2.0.6 and finally 1.2.0.7 and the SMU for the Matisse CPU (Ryzen 3000) is increased from 46.71. 0 to 46.72.0 and from this version (AGESA and/or SMU) it is almost impossible to start or restart the computer without Q-Code error, black screen, BSOD, as soon as the DOCP profile is activated or the memory frequency is set manually. The only way to make the BIOS based on these AGESA versions work is to leave the RAM frequency on "default" which is not ideal because in my case for example it means 2133 Mhz.
Of course, reverting to an earlier BIOS like the 3801 (which I'm currently using) fixes the issues instantly.
I did some memtests and other tests, the problem is not with my hardware. I researched various forums (including Asus and MSI) and found that this is a common problem among owners of Ryzen 3000 processors and an X570 motherboard or B550. I even saw a person having the same problem, who solved the problem by changing their Ryzen 3000 pro processor to a Ryzen 5000.
So, I really hope this is not a trick from AMD to let Ryzen 3000 users down, and you will do something about it.
PS: I have already contacted Asus support, they have already offered me several solutions, none have worked, and none will work as long as it is a problem within the AGESA, and it comes from you.

[GoLLuM13]

All I can tell you is there might be hope, the SMU from AGESA 1.2.0.5 to 1.2.0.8 was the same (catastrophic one) for Matisse CPUs (Ryzen 3000) but it evolved for AGESA 1.2.0.A from 0.46.72.0 to 0.46.73.0 so maybe they fixed things, fingers crossed. As you might know I changed my kit, so I can't tell you much if it's good or not, even it's working for me.

[Anonymous]

update bios may change the settings of some things you maybe had on to defaults.

try disable ACP power gating.. or set all your MEMORY options like interleaving to auto. 

find all the power related options and crank them to max.. no pissy eco stuff.. same AMD hardware runs on laptops and phones for days fine.. so you hardly need more eco and power saving than that

[GoLLuM13]

Thank you, but I won't try anything now, AMD has always been very picky with RAM since the beginning of Ryzen (at least), and since AMD made changes in the AGESA and didn't wanna fix them or help fix this (unlike Asus who helped me), the only real solutions left were either changing the RAM Kit or changing the CPU for a Ryzen 5000, I went for the cheaper solution and changed the RAM Kit. I tried the older kit on an Intel platform (and did a memtest too) just to be sure the ram Kit wasn't faulty, and it passed all tests and was stable all along.

[balrog]

@GoLLuM13Thanks for bringing this up. Have BSOD issues for years until i came across your post.

My motherboard(gigabyte auros B450 pro wifi) + CPU(Ryzen 3600) + RAM(corsair vengeance pro. 4 DIMMS 3200Mhz, c-die, 16-18-18-18-36)  is now stable due to your insights and plus scraping other info on the web.

Here is what i did for posterity:
  * BIOS: Stay on AGESA 1.2.0.3. For my mobo, it's version F61. The key as you mentioned. BSODS galore for AGESA higher version. 
  * Memory: Enable XMP near 3200Mhz in BIOS. Others may need to tweak the manual settings below depending on your memory. Sample below is for my memory.
    * Enable XMP, set it to manual and:
      * change frequency from default 3200 to 3133. Putting default 3200 gives me BSOD.
      * change tRC plus 6. Example, my default is 54, so new tRC is 60. Key for stability.
    * increase VDIMM(Memory voltage) to 1.38V.
    * increase VSOC V12 to 1.125V. Mine, have to put value 1125.

Bios are all defaults and PBO enabled. Nice to hear Asus helped you, but other OEM's don't have the fix trickling down and we are left on our own devices.

To be blunt to AMD, your hardware is awesome, but your BIOS software execution is dismal at best.

[GoLLuM13]

Thank you for all the information you brought, I hope it will help others too

[renesdk]

I've been running the AGESA ComboAm4v2PI 1.2.0.A based MSI BIOS since it was released. Still can't touch anything memory related or it'll blue screen. Still have to run anything memory at complete default settings, so 21xx MHz instead of 3200.
So still no fix for memory stability issues on the 3xxx-series of CPU's.

I just looked at latest AGESA ComboAm4v2PI 1.2.0.B based BIOS and no updates to the 3xxx series AGESA, so I doubt we'll see anymore fixes.

This platform is dead to me unfortunatly and I'll let it run 'as is' until I buy a new one at some point.
I'm sad that a system I was happy with for over 2 years, being one of the most stable platforms I've run for years, ended up being this much of a **bleep** show in the end. I can only note it down to AMD still sucking at the software side of things just as they have since forever.

[GoLLuM13]

@renesdkI totally understand you and share the exact same feeling, it was kinda great when it was working for quite some time, but when problems started, it was very frustrating. I'm also saving to buy a new platform and I really doubt I'll go back for an AMD, I've been so disappointed

[herhey]

As reported by @renesdk, it seems that the issue has been fixed with the latest BIOS update. I've been using it for the last week with no instability so far. I will continue testing and post here if anything changes. With any older BIOS after AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.3 Patch C, most of the time I couldn't even boot to Windows without a BSOD, or if I could, programs were acting weird before getting a BSOD.

New BIOS that seems to fix the issues:

Version 4805 - 20.83 MB 2024/03/22 - AGESA version ComboV2PI 1.2.0.Ca

My hardware:

ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VIII DARK HERO | Ryzen 7 3700x | 4x8GB Thermaltake Toughram DDR4-3200

[renesdk]

Yeah, it's nice. 

Mine is fixed in BIOS "7C37vHN" for my MSI X570-A PRO, which were released on April 12th 2024.