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Adept I

3200 cl16 or 3600 cl18? for ryzen 5700x?

Hi.

Need sugestions about upgrading ram. Currently i have ryzen 5700x + Asrock B450M Steel legend, i have set my eyes to

1. Gskill TridentZ Neo RGB PC25600 32GB (2x16GB) - 16-18-18-38
2. KLEVV DDR4 CRAS XR RGB PC28800 3600MHz 32GB (2X16GB) - 18-22-22-42

I read somewhere that ryzen 5700x sweet spot is 3600mhz, but i also read that sometimes is cause "instability, crash, and sometimes bsod" during game. it is true?

I don't do oc to my pc, maybe just set xmp for ram in bios, but that's about it.

So, do i take the 3200 or 3600?

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mengelag
Volunteer Moderator

What's the fabric cloth clock speed on each? At first glance, I'd go with the faster timings, CL16. Curious to know what others think as well.

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i think you have to buy the fastest one 

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ThreeDee
Paragon

I ran my 2x16GB HyperX Predator 3200 CAS16 1.35v kit at 3800 CAS18 1.390v with matching FCLK (1900) before getting 4x16GB Oloy 3600 18-22-22-22-42 1.35v (had to run at 1.36v to be stable) and running the new sticks at 3600 16-20-20-20-40 1.380v w/ FCLK @ 1800

My point is .. most kits will do faster speeds/tighter timings with a minor voltage bump so you can get a smidge performance bump for free ..though not guarantied, that 3200 will more than likely run the same speeds or better as the 3600 kit .. etc .. especially with just 2 sticks 


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MADZyren
Paragon

I would rather get GSkill because it is a good brand and you can likely simply add some voltage and up the clockspeed to 3600. In the end, while fast memory improves performance, the difference even between 2800 and 3600 is not something which would make an unplayable game playable if you just had better memory...

If you really want good memory, you need to get some Samsung B-die based kit. You can identify them by subtiming, which are like 3200 CL14-14-14-34 or for example 3600 Cl16-16-16-36. These things are pretty much the fastest and if you add voltage, you can often push then way further. For instance if you can't get 3200C14 to run 3600C14 you have bad luck. You'll probably need like 1.375V-1.4V to do it.

"but i also read that sometimes is cause "instability, crash, and sometimes bsod" during game. it is true?"

2000-series Ryzen had trouble reaching or going faster than 3200

3000-series could mostly do 3600 and 3733 was not uncommon, some did 3800

5000-series should have no problems at 3600 and though I never had 5000-series, they will likely do 3800-4000? If I was building one, I'd get 3200C14 B-die and OC it to 3600, but just for fun, not because it would make sense money wise. 

If you just want bang for buck. I might consider 4x8 Gb as four sticks are faster than two and you can just throw in some fairly basic kit and just use it. 

2x16gb sticks is a better way to go over 4x8GB .. less stress on the CPU's IMC and/or ..room to grow should you need/want 64GB down the road

...some do like the symmetry of 4 filled slots though ..especially if doing RGB stuff 


ThreeDee PC specs

Here are the facts.  Just watch and decide for yourself it is worth the price difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWffQbAHD0g

If it ain't broke; don't fix it!
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2x16 is easier for memory controller, but should not be an issue with 5000-series unless you want to push really far. The benefit of 4x sticks is you get higher and more stable framerate with same speed memory, according to some reviews/benchmarks. This one is from Gamers Nexus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ as an example, RDR2 with two sticks (vs. four sticks) of 3600CL16  149 (161) fps average and 67 (81) fps 1% low. In Shadow of Tomb Raider it is 178 (194) and 113 (127). 

There is also the Samsung B-die kit for comparison. It is at 3200CL14, but you could simply push it to 3600CL14 or perhaps even higher and win them all... But at a higher price and would the difference be worth it anymore.

mengelag
Volunteer Moderator

Let's be serious. Good RAM and timings is all about that Samsung B-die...

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Vynski
Exemplar

I think you said the key thing.  Is it worth it for the price difference.  I say NO.

This post caught my interest because I am debating the same issue.  Looking at RAM for my 3900X machine and debating on 3200 16CL or 3600 18CL.  I found a fabulous web page testing the Gskil RAM and when your only seeing 3 to 4 FPS difference, I can't justify the cost for my needs.  I found some Corsair at my local best buy and the price difference was under $5 so I will likely get the 3600 in that case.  I wanted to post that link though and cannot find it again.  Already looked at my search history and it was of no use, probably cleared it already.

If it ain't broke; don't fix it!
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private
Adept I

Thanks all, i already bought 2x16 3600 cl18 about a week ago. upgrading from 2x8 2666 cl18. it's amazed me, less micro stutter while gaming.

I do however tempted to buy 4x8 3600 cl18, however after long research, reading, and ask on many platform/forum, sadly two stick will benefit more than four stick.

If your looking at quad channel chances are your AM4 board does not support it.  You would gain nothing from that move. 

If it ain't broke; don't fix it!
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Bahi2
Journeyman III

There is a good chance that your AM4 board may not support quad-channel if you are looking at quad-channel.  This is a move that would not benefit you in any way whatsoever. 

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