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mutantxdvd
Adept III

Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

I was using a Radeon Pro WX 4100, but i recently bought a AMD firepro w7000 and despite being years older is way faster than the WX 4100 editing and performance/gaming? Shouldn't it be the other way around? 

Plan to buy W7100 next month and wondering should i even bother with a WX 5100 or WX 7100

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fsadough
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Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

Please provide details to your findings in terms of OS, driver, application and benchmarks used.

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mutantxdvd
Adept III

Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

My System specs: Windows 10 Enterprise, Xeon 2650 v2, 32GB memory, Firepro W7000. 

Every game which i played the Radeon Pro WX 4100 vs the W7000 , the W7000 is faster. The w7000 specs are higher than the wx 4100 though, even though the wx 4100 is good, despite being older the w7000 is still faster overall. 

The only problem i have with the w7000, it gets up to 90c and sometimes 96 when gaming, is it suppose to get this hot?

As for benchmarks, just gaming in the games i am playing is much faster, sleeping dogs, this is just one example. I bascially get double the framerates in games using the w7000, but again, the specs are much faster in the w7000. I'm buying the WX 7100 next month though  , wanted to buy a W5500 but kinda pricey out of my budget atm. HKShip 3-22-2020 2-24-17 PM-561.pngHKShip 5-10-2020 7-27-24 PM-978.png

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mutantxdvd
Adept III

Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

Oh sorry and as for drivers. Radeon Pro WX 4100 tested 19.Q4.1 which gives the best performance, using the newer ones drops performance. 

Using w7000, 19.q4.1 crashes alot, switching to the newest enterprise ones no issues. 

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fsadough
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Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

First of all Workstation Graphics cards are not gaming cards and their drivers are not optimized for gaming. Secondly comparing a FirePro W7000 ($700) with a Radeon Pro WX4100 ($400) is not a good comparison. Take a look at the compute units, memory bandwidth and bus width below:

General

Name

AMD W7000

AMD W7100

AMD WX 4100

Configuration

20 × CU with a total of 1280 ALUs

28 × CU with a total of 1792 ALUs

16 × CU with a total of 1024 ALUs

Memory

Bandwidth

·         143 GiB/sec

·         154 GB/sec

·         149 GiB/sec

·         160 GB/sec

·         89 GiB/sec

·         96 GB/sec

Bus width

256 bit

256 bit

128 bit

Default size

4 GiB

8 GiB

4 GiB

Frequency

1.2 GHz × 4 (4.8 GHz)

1.25 GHz × 4 (5 GHz)

1.5 GHz × 4 (6 GHz)

Technology

GDDR5

GDDR5

GDDR5

Performance

Base core frequency

950 MHz

920 MHz

1.12 GHz

Single precision

2.43 TFLOPS

3.3 TFLOPS

2.3 TFLOPS

Double precision

152 GFLOPS

206.08 GFLOPS

144 GFLOPS

Half precision

-

3.3 TFLOPS

2.3 TFLOPS

Power

Connectors

·         1x 6-pin

·         1x 6-pin

No separate power connectors

Maximum power usage

150 W

150 W

75 W

mutantxdvd
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Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

Yea i know, i just thought the wx 4100 would be faster, in general because its newer, etc. Despite being years old though, the w7000 is amazing. It just heats up to around 95c sometimes lol. cools down quick though.

Both cards are good though, i only game with workstation gpus anyway, have been for over 7 years,  i prefer them over normal gpus. Anyways, next GPU i am buying is a WX 7100 or W5500 next month. (w7000 will be for my secondary rig).  Cheers and keep up the good work with workstation cards. 

expatiate
Adept II

Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

The WX 7100 is an AMAZING card and at the moment I am bitterly regretting selling my old one and buying a W5500. The W5500 has been RMA'd due to continuous BSOD issues and am (still, after one month) awaiting a replacement. Early adopters beware...

fsadough
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Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

Let me know your system spec with W5500 along with the monitor, cables and adapters used to investigate the BSOD issue. A screenshot of BSOD would be helpful as well.

expatiate
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Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

Thanks - the build is AsRock X570M Pro 4/Ryzen 3700X/32Gb 3600 RAM feeding a BenQ SW2700PT via DisplayPort (BenQ supplied cable). The W5500 produced daily (sometimes twice-daily) BSODs and black screen crashes from first installation. On advice from technical support (ticket 8200952941) I ran DDU and submitted Belarc and DxDiag reports, along with various BSOD reports (Blue Screen View). I also did a fresh install of W10 Pro, then fresh 2020.q1 Radeon Pro driver suite. Nothing worked so opened a Warranty requst and was approved, although I returned it (receipt verified) over a month ago and still no replacement. Had a WX 7100 previously which always ran rock-solid and bought a WX 3100 second-hand to cover the gap, also rock-solid...

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fsadough
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Re: Older card faster than newer one(amd dev takes note)

I will follow up with GCC team.