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[chiqchui]

i made a quick record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSazBrwZlBc&feature=youtu.be 

Hey everyone, I recently made a significant upgrade to my system, switching from an Intel 4th gen to a Ryzen 9 7950X. However, I'm encountering some frustrating performance issues with multitasking. everytime my cpu went to 15-20% load, Im starting to experience sluggishness 3-5sec delay when opening general apps, browsing folders, or using programs like Photoshop, Vegas Pro, and Adobe Premiere (like when you open a tool or brush a new menu will open i get these same 3-5sec delay issue)

I initially suspected my RAM might be the bottleneck and upgraded from 32GB to 64GB, but the problem persists. Could this be an SSD issue? Do I need to switch to a Gen5 SSD or perhaps invest in a discrete GPU?

Despite Task Manager showing minimal disk usage (barely 1%) and only moderate CPU usage (15-20%), my system almost unusable for me. I was hoping to fully utilize my powerful 16core/32threads beast cpu but it seems I'm facing serious multitasking issues.

I've even already tried disabling CPU parking, but it hasn't improved the situation.

Here are my specs:

Ryzen 9 7950X

MSI B650 Carbon WiFi

64GB DDR5

Kingston RAM 64gb @ 6000MHz (2x32GB, dual-channel)

set to 8GB VRAM iGPU.

1TB SATA SSD + 4TB HDD.

all drivers and software are up to date. chipset, bios, and adrenalin software for my gpu.

what could be the bottlenecking? why im having sluggish performance when it barely even utilized all my cpu load? any ideas on what might be causing this bottlenecking and how I can resolve it? Appreciate any help, thanks!

[cwiggles]

Get a copy of hwmonitor and check the CPU temps, it could be thermal throttling if it's getting hot enough. What sort of cooler are you using?

I would also check to see if that ram is AMD EXPO certified or on MSI's supported RAM list and make sure they are in the correct dimm slots. (refer to the m./b manual for this)

Craig

[chiqchui]

cpu is around 35-38c idle. around 50-60c on load .. and 85c-87 max during stress test/cinebench @ 100% load scoring r23 38k points.. im using 360mm AIO arctic LF III. temps seems fine for me no thermal throttles so far as reported by hwinfo

kingston beastfury ddr5 is advertised as amd expo. also fully supported in my motherboard msi support QVL list https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B650-CARBON-WIFI/support#cpu

i tried to run memtest86 overnight all are passed

im pulling out my hair what is wrong im still trying to figure it out..

i/o issue? 

did i bought a faulty cpu?

[cwiggles]

(Bit of an edit here, I didn't clearly read your post properly. Not enough coffee/sleep.)

Make sure the ram modules are in slots A2 and B2 as per the manual. The rest of your specs look fine to me, but I would look at three things....

1. The SSD. For that board, go out and invest in a 1TB or 2TB NVME SSD. You'll be surprised how much faster a good NVME drive is over a SATA based one. Personally, I use Samang 980 Pro's and have been happy with their performance for the price, however, there are a large number of SSD's out there, so do some research before parting with your $$$.

When / if you do get a NVME based SSD, make sure it is installed into the M2_1 socket for best performance as it connects straight to the CPU. I don't think there's a significant visable difference between Gen4 and Gen5 SSDs from what I have heard, so it's up to you if you want to spend a few extra $$$ on a Gen5.  

2. The IGP. 
I recall AMD stating that the IGP is not meant for serious work, it was just to offer very basic video functionality, more or less "just enough" to let you setup the PC and do web browsing without the need for a discrete gfx card. 

I doubt any serious GFX apps will run well on it. I strongly suggest you try a discrete GFX card and see if the issues remain. See if you can get hold of a cheap 2nd hand gfx card (or borrow one from a friend) just to see if the issues remain. If they don't then you can look at getting a mid-range card, or whatever fits within your budget.

3. Windows install.
Lastly, make sure you do a clean install of Windows whenever changing platforms between CPU vendors. You can get away with it to a degree if you stick to the same platform (Intel to Intel), but if you're just asking for trouble if the image was installed on an Intel based system and put it in an AMD based system. Yes, it *may* be able to boot and autodetect the AMD board and its components, and even though you install all of AMD drivers and so on, all the Intel stuff is still in there and can just cause odd performance / stability issues. So just bite the bullet and do a fresh Windows install. 

Craig

[johnnyenglish]

As a user of such behemoth, the 7950X that simply shreds thru video editing with ease while doing so many things at the same time, let me say out loud.

You need a discrete GPU, especially if you are doing video editing with Vegas or any other like Premiere or Resolve.

Don't sorry much with storage as long as you have a nvme pci gen 3. I even edit on a USB 3.2 external nvme and works like a charm. This should handle mid sized projects with 20gb of assets and 4k60 res.

Remember that some video editing tools and effects enjoy dGPU VRAM.

Good luck 

[Meechol]

Your motherboard is the bottleneck. B650 chipset is meant for mid-range CPUs hence why they’re much cheaper than the X670 range. Don’t go stingy on the motherboard when you’ve got such a powerful CPU

[johnnyenglish]

I'm not familiar with MSI range but I can assure you that RoG Strix B650E - E board is far superior to Prime and TUF X670 range.

Chipset is obviously something to consider but not a factor.

Example: Look at VRM configuration on the X670 Prime (12+2) and RoG B650E-E (16+2+1), not to mention other features and even backpanel IO.

[Meechol]

Why wouldn’t it be a factor 

[johnnyenglish]

Because of how motherboards are built.

You have the example above.

[Meechol]

A shop owner literally told me my 5900x would of been bottlenecked by the B550’s chipset. The chipset is more important than the vrm.

[johnnyenglish]

Well... I can tell you it is not.

Chipset defines mostly IO and even then some High End B chipset boards will outmatch a X chipset board mostly due to market position of some models.

Example: A RoG B650E-E will have more NVME PCIe 5.0 slots and USB ports than a X670 Prime.

As an owner of some RoG Strix B chipset boards and having tested some Prime X chipset as well, I can tell you that lower end X470 fail to handle a slightly OC'ed 5950X while my former board, RoG B450-E would even allow me to push more serious OC on a 5950X.

I currently have a 7950X and I wouldn't consider a low/mid X670 over a RoG B650E-E.

And if you see its price... its not even considered cheap with prices around 350-400.


If you doubt me, have a look on Youtube, lots of videos out there showing that is not the chipset.

 

[BigAl01]

Get a video card and disable the internal graphics in the BIOS.