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[persuasiveargument]

Hi from Canada,

Retailers did NOT provide dedicated MSRP for 9070 and 9070xt GPUs at MSRP prices to customers, nor was there any indication retailers and AMD have any follow up program to ensure continued support during and after the launch to ensure MSRP prices and wide availability will be supported.

Is AMD and  its AIB  partners e.g. Powercolor along with its retailers e, g, Canada Computers/Newegg actually sincere and serious about its commitment to providing MSRP 9000 series GPUS e.g. Powercolor  Reaper 9070/9070xt card to its customers...based on yesterday's launch and lack of follow-up ...there is very little evidence of that sincerity and commitment .... .AMD your character and reputation is on the line with it unfortunately being tarnished and diminished as a  result of launch day and the absence of follow up... as a result of the behavior by your company and its stakeholders ( retailers and AIB partners) ....where is your leadership to demonstrate it cares about its customers both current and new?

Disappointed by AMD's unfulfilled promises

[mjevans]

I'm a casual gamer, and build a gaming PC myself... well I'd _like_ to do that every ~5 years if the value proposition is right, but I feel like I've been beaten out and slighted by circumstances and scalpers (auction resellers) for the last 5+ years.

IMO the scalpers 'win' because AMD isn't giving us a line to queue up in / RNG pull who gets to buy.

• A queue (run by AMD) to be able to purchase a shiny new GPU from a retailer of their choice? (with a validation code).  Signup would require some proof of physical address / presence.
• More local (brick and mortar) locations in regions like Seattle (lacks a Microcenter) to do the lottery thing (Drivers License + CC) with signups taken E.G. the week or month before, AFTER pricing and reviews are released.  Inventory balanced by entries within a region and pointless to enter at multiple stores as the winners will be chosen based on the addresses shared with AMD for only that reason and then purged.
• Requirements that AIBs continue to produce some number of non-OC / 'reference price or lower' cards as long as retail stock levels remain low.
• Extend the retail stock level sales window through the address list fulfillment period.
• I (intentionally after last launch) deferred upgrading anything else until a matching GPU, so parts bundles could also help.  Except I don't want or need an unfit system board; I have a specific list of models that work.

 (My own system board criteria / rant, Mostly: High likely hood of ECC RAM functioning correctly. Should be _standard_ for everything, data loss sucks. Many data storage ports so I can upgrade my storage later without juggling disks / NVMe.  Honestly I'd love if the Ryzen 9000s had ~1.5 the IO pins, all PCIe 5.0 (28 upgrade to 40), and outside of the chip most of those doubled out to 4.0 links. A board could pull of 2 pairs of 5.0 speed x16 links, still having 5.0 x8 for storage / chipset / etc, or add in data network switches to spread the (5x16 GPU slot) 5x24 out to 4x48.  Use 8 for two of AMD's expansion chips, individually rather than daisy chained.  Another 8 for board IO links of various other sorts. Still have 4x32 for 8 tasty NVMe drives or two 4.0x16 slots.)

[mjevans]

I have a real reply, but it somehow keeps being marked as spam / scammer content with no appeals process and no notification of WHY.

[mjevans]

I'm a casual gamer, and build a gaming PC myself... well I'd _like_ to do that every ~5 years if the value proposition is right, but I feel like I've been beaten out and slighted by circumstances and scalpers (auction resellers) for the last 5+ years.

IMO the scalpers 'win' because AMD isn't giving us a line to queue up in / RNG pull who gets to buy.

• A queue (run by AMD) to be able to purchase a shiny new GPU from a retailer of their choice? (with a validation code).  Signup would require some proof of physical address / presence.
• More local (brick and mortar) locations in regions like Seattle (lacks a Microcenter) to do the lottery thing (Government ID with Address + buying data) with signups taken E.G. the week or month before, AFTER pricing and reviews are released.  Inventory balanced by entries within a region and pointless to enter at multiple stores as the winners will be chosen based on the addresses shared with AMD for only that reason and then purged.
• Requirements that AIBs continue to produce some number of non-OC / 'reference price or lower' cards as long as retail stock levels remain low.
• Extend the retail stock level sales window through the address list fulfillment period.
• I (intentionally after last launch) deferred upgrading anything else until a matching GPU, so parts bundles could also help.  Except I don't want or need an unfit system board; I have a specific list of models that work.

(My criteria oversimplified to prevent incorrect AI? moderation: Board can do ECC, has lots of storage IO)

[FunkZ]

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@mjevans wrote:

• A queue (run by AMD) to be able to purchase a shiny new GPU

AMD did offer a queue purchase system through their online store during the GPU shortage of 2021-2022 - unfortunately they're no longer making reference cards so it's up to the partner manufacturers to do this.

I believe at that time there were a few manufacturers also doing the same, like EVGA.

Be patient, it's only been a day since they went on sale. If you already waited months for launch day, what's another few days/weeks?

[mjevans]

Not on just AMD models.  I mean a queue to buy _any_ model at all, even from partners.  It has to be via AMD so that it's shared across them all, not just any one manufacturer.

I will be shocked, and pleasantly surprised, if AMD has enough product to keep putting MSRP priced cards on the market past the point of the scalpers buying them all up before I have a chance to purchase.  All that was left a few months after the last launch were the OC overpriced cards that offer me no value as a consumer.