PC Drivers & Software

[geblaat]

Hi,

I recently purchased an HP 17-ca0992nd notebook. It comes with a lovely Ryzen 2500u processor with integrated Vega 8 graphics.

I noticed that HP provides a rather old 17.7 driver package for the GPU, this version is over a year old. Can't seem to find more recent drivers on the AMD website.

The desktop Raven Ridge processors recently got access to recent Adrenalin drivers. Unfortunately not so for the mobile of Raven Ridge processors.

Are the mobile Raven Ridge parts still supported by AMD, and if so, what is AMD's policy on future updates?

Thanks for the info!

[havocx80]

Dang, I have the same process on brand new Dell Inspiron 7000, but no updated driver insight. I should have done more research before purchasing.

[georges]

You have to wait I hope that they will support mobile Ryzen apu soon

[geblaat]

Well... the mobile Raven Ridge Parts have been released nearly a year ago, with little to no support at all since release. And with no clear planning or policy for future support.

Raven ridge is really a good product, but it is (in my opinion) greatly hampered and crippled by a total lack of support from AMD. Very disappointing.

[georges]

You can send them an email here -> Email Form

[geblaat]

Thanks for the link, I’ve sent an e-mail. I will post the response here.

[s_mcduck]

It is possible to install adrenaline drivers with the 2500U. I know because I've done it on my Dell Inspiron 5000. It's a complicated and fiddly procedure though. I used adrenaline 18.5.1 because it's the most stable for me. First of all I uninstalled with DDU in safe mode. Then I installed the driver from the Dell website (do the express install). This is necessary to get the adrenaline driver installer to run - otherwise you'll get an unknown hardware error. Then you run the adrenaline installer (express install again). After that, open device manager and manually install the video driver (there are you tube tutorials on how to do this). Then search the AMD folder on your C drive and run amddvr64.exe. If you don't want ReLive you can skip this step. Finally restart the computer. It doesn't always work first time and if it doesn't you'll have to do the whole procedure again (remember I said it was fiddly).

[geblaat]

Yes I’ve read similar methods over at the HP forums. Unfortunately BSOD’s and program crashes have been reported using this method to install newer drivers. In my opinion AMD should support this product, and deliver updates every quarter, like the desktop parts.

[iceman2015]

Hi s_mcduck.

I tried the steps above but when I get to opening the Radeon Settings - an error message pops up saying I need to match both the radeon settings and the version(s) installed. I then read somewhere online that the Registry key needs to be updated to blank for the Driver version. I did that and it did open Radeon Settings however it still remains at 17.7.

Please advise on how to proceed. Also, do you have an issue with FPS when playing low-end games on your Dell laptop.

[s_mcduck]

iceman2015

Have you tried with version 18.9.2? They seem to have fixed the driver and settings do not match bug. I was able to update from 18.5.1 by just installing the driver through device manager. Also, disconnect your laptop from the internet while you do the procedure to stop windows update from slipping in its own driver in while you are working. I forgot to mention that in my description. 

As far as gaming goes, I have been able to get frame rates in the 40s with Battlefield I at the low setting and 80s-90s in Sims 4 in high setting. My figures for cinebench R15 are 136 (single core) 601 (multicore) and 38fps (open gl).

[iceman2015]

Hi mcduck

i haven’t tried installing 18.9.2. i will download that tonight. but Just so that i am following the instructIon:

1. run DDU under safe mode

2. Disconnect from internet

3. Install Dells VGA driver package - express install

4. Install Adrenalin 18.9.2 package - express install

5. Reconnect internet

i Will report back the results unless there is something that I am missing. Also for the dell I am constantly getting GPU throttling that playing a game it starts off at 60 FPS per second and theN it drops to 20 FPS after 5 minutes. diD you do any other adjustments to power management or Bios settings for this laptop or was it just the graphic card update?

[s_mcduck]

There's a 4.5. You have to manually install the 18.9.2 video driver through device manager. It's best to look up how to do this on YouTube because it's a bit complicated to explain. The AMD installer won't install the video driver because it's not specifically for your GPU so you have to force it to install. Oh, and if you get flickering, turn off vari-bright and restart your computer.

With the power options, I had to go into settings and create a new plan. I selected the option to create a high performance plan, then maxed everything out. Doing that raised my multicore cinebench score from 330 to 601. I haven't done a lot of gaming on this laptop because I built myself a desktop this spring with a Ryzen 2700x and RX 580. Maybe I can do some testing soon. I have a lot of hospital appointments at the moment (young people's cataracts)

[geblaat]

Got a response from AMD:

”

Your service request : SR #{ticketno:[8200828765]} has been reviewed and updated.

Response and Service Request History:

Thank you for your email

I understand you are having query regarding the driver update for ryzen 2500u processor with the vega graphics.

At this point of time the graphic drivers are provided from the manufacture only, there is no driver support from AMD.

Thanks for contacting AMD

In order to update this service request, please respond, leaving the service request reference intact.

Best regards,

AM

AMD Global Customer Care”

Guess this was my last AMD product, going back to Intel / nVidia. At least you get support from them.

[georges]

Bad answer from AMD ... Its a very good APU , better than Intel .. If I were you I would waiting

[padonion]

Hello,

I have the same situation here on my HP envy x360.

I fully agree with Georges that no doubt on the fact that Ryzen APU is a very good platform.

Unfortunately I also have the same downside:

Windows: working but no update for more than 1 year, no Vulkan support, no OpenCL support, no ROCm support.

Linux: working with last updates but still no Vulkan support, no OpenCL support and no ROCm support.

I have been waiting for a bit more than 1 year now, and I can tell that my frustration grows everyday ...

As a developer, I'm like having a good and pretty powerful (as entry level laptop ) machine but no keys to unlock the power of this machine and nowhere to get the keys ...

So far, I used my laptop for standard c++ programming (not using GPU for calculations because of no support) and some mid-level games with good frame-rate, but I was expecting more from this machine especially after 1 year of waiting ...

Christophe.

[padonion]

Update:

- Windows:

I installed Windows 10 1809, clean install, no HP drivers.

I have (from windows) video driver Vega 8 mobile 10/9/2017.

I installed Vulkan-runtime (surprised that it was not installed with Windows).

And now : Vulkan OK, OpenCL 2.0 and 2.1 OK.

- Linux: no changes.

[kingfish]

Have you disabled fast start?

Windows 10 Fast Startup could be detrimental to your computer

[padonion]

Hello kingfish,

no, I did not verified that and you are right, that may have been the issue not fully resetting the Vega GFX hardware between consecutive tests.

But I did so many test before reinstalling with Windows 10 1809, that it would be impossible to say that HP driver was the cause of Vulkan or OpenCL not working, or if it was all the other modifications (add / remove of libraries and tools).

I just hope that old driver from Windows will be stable.

Anyway, I agree with geblaat, Ryzen M APU is a very good product, but the lack of support from AMD is just crippling it.

I say that for ROCm too, as Vega 8 M support is not even planned ... so no tensorflow-rocm for a loooong time, if any.

Christophe.

[kingfish]

AMD responds to Ryzen Mobile lack of driver updates: It's the OEM's fault

[padonion]

Hello everybody,

I get it, it's OEM's fault ...

So my question is the following: I'm having a laptop at work with an Intel cpu and a NVidia GTX gpu. Every about 2 months, I have new drivers for GTX 1050 M, not from Dell but from NVidia. I also get updates on all Intel performance libraries and optimized image processing for Intel cpu not from Dell but from Intel, and last but not least I also got benefits of OpenVIMO the new full dev-kit for computer vision .. and all that coming from Intel and not Dell.

So, if it's OEM's fault, how does it come that Intel and NVidia are updating their drivers and tools on laptops ?

It's been 1 year now that I bought my Ryzen 2500U laptop, putting high hope in this new APU generation ... now I'm feeling guilty each time I see a last generation Intel+NVidia laptop wondering if I did the right choice.

Concerning HP repackaging of Adrenalin, they are waiting on their side for support of Ryzen 2500U in Adrenalin, which I confirm is not supported the last versions.

I still do not understand why recent Adrenalin does not support Vega M gpu ... is it an abandoned chipset already?

A high perf hardware without firmware / driver / toolkit available is like a high perf plane with no pilot ... it doesn't go very far.

Christophe K.

[padonion]

Hello everybody,

So great news for the beginning of this year, ROCm start supporting the 2500U !!!

The support is only for OpenCL at this time but that is a great beginning, and I'm sure that everything is going to move forward from this point.

Concerning installation:

1- I installed an Ubuntu 18.10

2- I installed last kernel using this tutorial : Linux Kernel 4.19 Released, How to Install it in Ubuntu | UbuntuHandbook 

3- Then I installed rocm-dev only rocm-opencl-dev version 2.0, do not install rocm-dkms, kfd iommu is supported in last 4.19 kernel : ROCm Installation Guide — ReadTheDocs-Breathe 1.0.0 documentation 

The result of /opt/rocm/bin/rocminfo:

===================== 
HSA System Attributes 
===================== 
Runtime Version: 1.1
System Timestamp Freq.: 1000.000000MHz
Sig. Max Wait Duration: 18446744073709551615 (number of timestamp)
Machine Model: LARGE 
System Endianness: LITTLE 

========== 
HSA Agents 
========== 
******* 
Agent 1 
******* 
 Name: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx
 Vendor Name: CPU
[...]
******* 
Agent 2 
******* 
 Name: gfx902 
 Vendor Name: AMD 
 Feature: KERNEL_DISPATCH 
 Profile: FULL_PROFILE 
 Float Round Mode: NEAR 
 Max Queue Number: 128 
 Queue Min Size: 4096 
 Queue Max Size: 131072 
 Queue Type: MULTI 
 Node: 0 
 Device Type: GPU
[...]

And /opt/rocm/opencl/bin/x86_64/clinfo result:

Number of platforms: 1
 Platform Profile: FULL_PROFILE
 Platform Version: OpenCL 2.1 AMD-APP (2783.0)
 Platform Name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
 Platform Vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
 Platform Extensions: cl_khr_icd cl_amd_event_callback cl_amd_offline_devices 


 Platform Name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
Number of devices: 1
 Device Type: CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU
 Vendor ID: 1002h
 Board name: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx
 Device Topology: PCI[ B#4, D#0, F#0 ]
 Max compute units: 11
 Max work items dimensions: 3
 Max work items[0]: 1024
 Max work items[1]: 1024
 Max work items[2]: 1024
 Max work group size: 256
[...]

At this time, tensorflow-rocm is failling, it allocates correctly the GPU but tries to allocate all the free memory for the task and, of course, fail to allocate it (like if it was considering using the device memory in case of a discrete GPU). But that is a work in progress and having rocm starting support for Raven Ridge is already a big news.

Thanks to all ROCm developer's team!

Christophe K.

[wolfaroo]

Ryzen 5 2500U/2700U Driver Update - YouTube  I made a video about it. I'm on 18.12 now on my Envy X360. P.S; I've never had this computer crash.

[geblaat · Accepted solution]

Thank you AMD, for supporting Raven Ridge directly since february!