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HeyDoeAUD
Adept III

AMD Ryzen high Idle Temperature and faults discussion: 7800X3D 7900X3d 7950X3D

Hi Folks.  I'm going to try and be detailed as possible regarding high idle temps, specifically for my 7800X3D

For the first time EVER i have stepped away from Intel/nVidia and recently built my first all AMD PC with the following specs.

CASE:  Deepcool CH560 Digital (stock fan setup 3x140mm front Intake, 1x120mm rear exhaust) all controlled from mainboard
EXTRA CASE FANS:  Deepcool FC120x3 (1 intake in bottom of box, 2 exhaust in top of box) all controlled from mainboard
CPU COOLER:  Deepcool Assassin IV + Deepcool Thermal paste
CPU:  AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
PSU:  Asus TUF 850G ATX3.0 850W Gold
MAINBOARD:  Asus TUF X670E-PLUS WiFi
MEMORY:  Teamgroup T-Force DELTA 2X16GB DDR5-6000 cl38 EXPO
HDD:  Teamgroup T-force Cardea Z540 2TB M.2-2280 PCIe 5.0
OS:  Windows 11 home Ver. 23H2

You can see the build here:  https://pcpartpicker.com/b/3Rt8TW

Lets talk about Idle Temperatures.
After Build completed on 08/03/2024 I noticed from first boot that my idle temp for the CPU was sitting on 45c at bios (keep in mind windows was not even loaded at this point),  I instantly thought that i had seated the cooler wrong or something was up with the thermal paste application...  I then installed windows to make sure everything was running okay and so i could install various Drivers and software like ASUS Armoury Crate, GPUz, iCUE and specifically Deepcool Digital (the case has built in temp and usage monitors for CPU and GPU).  Low and behold the CPU idle is sitting at 47c on GPUz, iCUE and the Deepcool Digital.  So i re-installed and re-pasted my CPU cooler.  This yeilded the exact same results for temps.

It's since been as low as 44c but often sits around 46-47c.  After posting temps and asking around on PC parts picker ive determined that these CPU's can be as low as 30c when idling regardless of Aircooler or AIO with a rough average of between 35c-40c.  So I installed HWiNFO64 and Cinebench ready for some testing.  Looking under the CPU section in HWiNFO64 i noticed something odd, all the CPU core temps apart from "CPU (Tctl/Tdie) " and "CPU Die (average)" were about 36c-37c.  I though to myself how could the average CPU temp be 10c higher the actual temps of any or all of the cores...  It didn't make sense.  I also noticed around this time that Asus Armoury Crate had a dashboard with various senors and info showing the CPU temp to be 36c-37c...

Regardless i began a bench with Cinebench to see what temps would do using HWiNFO64.  I quickly reached 81c on the CPU (Tctl/Tdie) sensor at full load and saw a push until about 85c of which i set a thermal limit in Bios.  Clock speeds were ok but obviously throttled hitting around the 85c mark.  I checked Asus Armory crate temp to see it closer to 10c cooler than the average in CPUz or HWiNFO64.  Thats when i noticed what seemed to be causing the average of my CPU package to be 10c higher than all the other sensors.

In HWiNFO64 after the CPU section is the Motherboard sensors section.  The top 5 sensors in their are all thermals and they read:
Motherboard:  34c
CPU Package:  81c (same as CPU (Tctl/Tdie)
CPU: 70c  <10c cooler?
Temp9:  24c
TSI0 (CPU): 81c <<< This is the only sensor that isn't an average of other sensors

Turns out that the TSI0 sensor seems to be bringing my average temp up at least 10c sometimes 13c in some situations.  It is directly proportional to my overall temp, as in it completely governs the CPU temp all together.

Has anyone else noticed this causing them high readings, or even better does anyone know where to find this sensor on the motherboard?

I have already emailed ASUS support about the issue and i eagerly await their response.

Even if this doesn't really effect you, could you please post your CPU idle temps and CPU cooler model... it could help me get to the bottom of what's happening

ANYONE FROM AMD YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COMMENT ON CPU IDLE TEMPS AND THERMALS UNDERLOAD REGUARDING THE TSI0 (CPU) SENSOR THANKS

regards.  HeyDoe

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HeyDoeAUD
Adept III

Well at the time of this post my CPU idle temps are as low as 43c and looking at about 81c+ for 100% load pushing 5050Mhz on all cores max.  It seems that the discussion with Asus about the sensor in question was not very eventful and they don't seem to know which one i am talking about.

By all accounts there are some people with idle temps of 35c and some with temps of 45c and the only people with worries are experiencing high load temps (like 90c-95c range).  Getting my temps down i have moved 1 fan from exhaust on top of case and put it into the bottom of the case as an intake creating more positive pressure while also reducing my GPU idle temp from 40c to around 35c which in turn is dropping CPU temps faster and having them idle slightly lower.  I also adjusted my fan curves to kick the fans in at lower temps.  This makes a bit more noise but most of the time I'm wearing noise cancelling headphones and this build was more about effective air-cooling and gaming than a quiet PC that can cook steaks.

To anyone experiencing temp issues on the idle level I hope this small forum chat helps put your mind at ease.  I would have liked lower temps on both idle and load but technically they are well within the specified operating temperatures of the CPU...  If your struggling just do your due diligence with updates and different configurations and you can always hit the forums if something still seems wrong.

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FunkZ
Paragon

Have you flashed the motherboard BIOS to latest version? Last year ASUS and some other board partners were overvolting VSOC higher than it should with EXPO enabled, it is fixed in a later BIOS release.

Ryzen R7 5700X | B550 Gaming X | 2x16GB G.Skill 3600 | Radeon RX 7900XT

Sure have man, first thing i did before windows got installed i really want someone else with this mother board to chime in if they have seen the same stats...

misterj
Big Boss

HeyDoeAUD, you should be using Ryzen Master (RM)  to monitor temperatures and never run more than one monitor at  a time. Please post screenshots of RM at idle and running Cinebench R24. Please post images of only RM. Thanks and enjoy, John.

Ryzen Master unable to inititalize.  Kindly Reinstall the program.

Hence Aborting!

give me a bit and i will post some stats

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Ryzen Master idle temp 01.jpg

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Ryzen Master load temp 01.jpg

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excuse me misterj, any thoughts on the posted temps?  do you think they warrant further investigation as i do? you may see under full load 4.8ghz @80c.  I've seen full load temps (unconfirmed) as low as 70c for the same processor or even less,  also idle temps as low as 30c...  I'm not saying its a CPU issue i honestly believe its the sensor on the mainboard.  I posted a HWiNFO64 jpeg below showing my temps and stating my issues...  Any feedback or opinions are greatly appreciated

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johnnyenglish
Grandmaster

Armoury Crate CPU sensor is a board based sensor, not a readout from the CPU sensor itself. You can change the setting, or at least it was possible before. However, the fan curve will be adjusted from this unless you do it inside the board BIOS.

As for idle temps, check if the minimum processor state (inside windows) is set to the lowest value so it can step down when not needed, thus lowering idle temps as well.

Finally, curve optimize it to get the most.

7950X with a 240 Ryujin sitting idle at 35-38C HWiNFO64/Ryzen Master/Coretemp, they all show the same. Armoury Crate shows less.

Good luck 

The Englishman
HeyDoeAUD
Adept III

Thanks for the stats mate i really appreciate it.  See your temps of 35-38c seem much more reasonable for an idle CPU, anything sub 40c i feel is fair.  TBH im still thinking its a Mainboard issue.  Anyone with this Asus TUF x670e PLUS WiFi board getting same issues i wonder

My minimum processor state is set to 0%,  one of the first things i do in windows is set my Advanced Power options up for gaming.  I have HDD to never sleep and display never turns off also.  you think it would make a difference?

As far as curve optimization i tried a -30 from BIOS on all cores and it booted but never ran a stress test.  i have reverted all settings to normal for now as i thought having an all core undervolt doesn't really fix the high idle temp from stock.  kind of want to get to the bottom of this

 

Minimum processor state.jpg

 

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BartPP
Adept I

Hi Team.

From yesterday got also some strange chooke on going at Forza5 or HL_Alyx in VR,

and desktop was not neough good that have safe setup cut-off main power when reach to close upper LVL Temp or PWR better to not make barbecue.

Hard reset log again, and again crash,

first GPU soft DRV of Nvidia core make crashed after that Steam core UI was hang and crash few times.

Get that feeling that MS IT guys make latest update and again they try to takfe control of segment that not should to not have when I decide to have other manufacture in this rule. 

not clear state of with one PWR Drivers MB Bus control MS Win or AMD ect my ASrock soft deal with it higher priority, MS thinks that they do it better when rthey sing green paper directives regulations fail Economic Distribuon Electronic devices to sell them on market with new sticker A+++ f...n ending story of magic economy line that save our planet - really who belive in this sh...t. put your finger in to AC socket and check if is safe.

Getting more redfined setup at BIOS again make more FAN's dynamic reaction earlier on temp try to jump so get no delay in droping peaks on some strange needs of OS - what for not doing OS take almost full load on 16 core of CPU make stable work go bounce - taking overload mahine wichout my permision to get values points as for handle own powering BUS rule as i predict on unknown process - kill some bushy loaded ones like

new "DEV Home" that appear just like that, i din't ask such one to on my system. 

Who and Why put it to my OS wichout my approvall - way of gettin in like infecting malware bugs. 

So point guilt as to be update for x64 processors package 20H2 few days ago - some thing like black hole - not sean & nothing known good about it but we know hidden do nothing special like free space blocking. .

Get fixed stability and CPU load drop down rapidly,  CPU and GPU temps are now even lower than before but is only that I redefine react graph points at dynamic set FANs RPMs via Temp relations to go earlier colling as in profile was.

Get faster fan spin with +400rpm on standard values with same temp -5deg. from basic profile. 

Maybe some one get use of it - in my case works with harmfull soft MS get off my system hidden tasks go out now permanently in best way hard way. 

Ryzen9-7950X.jpg

 

 **bleep** how i do not like those MS IT do some thing in way of make other users go no way to do some repair thier bad way to do any thing in any bad way of anything.

MS Help desk service is for IT MS team not for users help to go on. 

Take reverse undestanding U help solving issues IT MS team on service help desk site wroted - ar we now clear what is for Helpdesk MS web --- YEP real solution for profit cash at not their work distribution.

 

100% No Mistaques - Exist Only If 0% Work Is Done

well.  Not sure I am fully following you my brother.  anyone else able to help BartPP

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No Bro I no need solution just got my case placed at some similar symptoms of crashing OS at no stress operations, got some removed updates from MS KB packages as always they got something more than supposed have on DLL files and all work of system gets pretty sick, after that system get back stable cool handling, so I fit rework at fan adjust vs CPU temp. time start to spin fans when reach some points got dropped than previous state so get think maybe some also can use this little Tweak OC on CPU and MB and GPU parameters. 

No need normally help from specialist - I'm kind of fanatic those toys so I will fix by myself take advance new problematic situations as challenge.   

But thanks for fast respone never can be so fast timing at Corpo MS HelpDesk service. 

100% No Mistaques - Exist Only If 0% Work Is Done

no worries BartyPP happy to help where i can

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FunkZ
Paragon

 I asked Google to translate but it doesn't speak troll apparently...

Ryzen R7 5700X | B550 Gaming X | 2x16GB G.Skill 3600 | Radeon RX 7900XT

Haydn Durnin CPU temps.jpgI know everyone should only use Ryzen Master but check this shot of what i think is happening

CPU Package is the right temperature, the line bellow that says only CPU is the sensor i mentioned before, its not actually on the CPU. Thats what Armoury Crate reads and FansXpert will adjust the fans from.

I'll try to post a screenshot of mine once I get home.

The Englishman

Do you see the sensor I'm taking about down on the motherboard,  it seems to be the thing bringing my temps up as all the other sensor are at least 10c lower.  I have spoken to a few people on pcpartspicker they have similar temps to me though mine seems to be the highest I've come across.  i may actually take the 3 extra fans out and see if that makes a difference with a greater positive pressure. though i doubt it will...

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HeyDoeAUD
Adept III

Well at the time of this post my CPU idle temps are as low as 43c and looking at about 81c+ for 100% load pushing 5050Mhz on all cores max.  It seems that the discussion with Asus about the sensor in question was not very eventful and they don't seem to know which one i am talking about.

By all accounts there are some people with idle temps of 35c and some with temps of 45c and the only people with worries are experiencing high load temps (like 90c-95c range).  Getting my temps down i have moved 1 fan from exhaust on top of case and put it into the bottom of the case as an intake creating more positive pressure while also reducing my GPU idle temp from 40c to around 35c which in turn is dropping CPU temps faster and having them idle slightly lower.  I also adjusted my fan curves to kick the fans in at lower temps.  This makes a bit more noise but most of the time I'm wearing noise cancelling headphones and this build was more about effective air-cooling and gaming than a quiet PC that can cook steaks.

To anyone experiencing temp issues on the idle level I hope this small forum chat helps put your mind at ease.  I would have liked lower temps on both idle and load but technically they are well within the specified operating temperatures of the CPU...  If your struggling just do your due diligence with updates and different configurations and you can always hit the forums if something still seems wrong.

lucas66zhang
Journeyman III

Greetings bro,

 

I am facing the same problem with you. I build my first pc on 04-16-2024 with 7950x3d and a 360mm water cooler.

 

The idle temperature is about 45-50C with a room temperature of about 20-25C。When I open a webpage of a game (eg. Baldur's gate 3), the cpu Tctl will be up to more than 55 shortly. But the temp for cores are always about 10C less than that for Tctl. It seems that the Tctl sensor is put in a hot place. So I do not think the temp matters.

 

But when I look at the idle power consumption,it reaches more than 50W. 

 

I have tried all possible methods I can to low the idle power consumption but none of them works.

 

Could you please show your cpu's power consumption so that I can I can get a general idea of what's going on with the x3d cpu. If your cpu's idle consumption is not very high but the temp is high, that might indicate this is the problem of amd's design, which lead to the situation that the Heat collects at the top of the cpu and can't be carried away by the cooler. 

 

Best wishes.

Luca what motherboard are you using?

Also my wattage sits on about 30W on idle if that helps.

Since originally posting the idle temps have dropped to 44c and sometimes as low as 41c

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Hey DoeAUD,

 

Sorry for replying late. I just moved to a new city and received my pc from home.

My motherboard is GIGABYT B650M AROUS ELITE AX ICE. May I know your bios settings to compare with mine to see why the idle power consumption of my pc is so high.

 

Much thanks!

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eebiii
Forerunner

Alot of it depends on ambient air temperature also. Example, If you are a cold bunny and keep it @75F in your house, your idle and load temps are going to be higher. The fans are pulling that air also to cool the system and through the radiator on your AIO. Would work the same with a custom loop also. But you will always get better cooling UNDER LOADS with a custom loop because the blocks / pumps are just better. You could stick a couple radiators in a bucket of ice and watch temps drop or I have seen someone build a bracket for a MO-RA3 and hang it out the window and extreme benchmark with his temps because of the gains.

I am running a 7800x3d and 7900xtx. I idle @40C CPU and 25C GPU and it is 69F in the house and 40F outside (Littleton, CO). After running a quick Superposition benchmark, no OC, CPU 63C, and GPU 39C. Now that EK 7900xtx block is the most badass on the planet. No matter what I do I have a hard time to get it to 50C, on a custom loop. Just as reference. To me these are the little things that separates the 10C everyone is looking for. And now you can de-lid the 7000 series to gain a little more on the CPU side.

1. Custom loop will always get better cooling. 

2. Ambient air makes a pretty big difference.

3. Remember, we are always talking about 10C difference. Everyone is always fighting and worried over 10C and as long as you are within the manufacturer's specs under full loads, who cares, don't worry, it will be ok. 

4. I tried to put a few ideas in here for anyone to try. I especially like the MO-RA hangar outside the window. You could gain -20C!!!

IMG_3589-1.jpgHW.jpg

 

 

 

Sweet Hydro System Routing Design - I see it's a Velocity2 AIO - nasty angled quick joints, got to have on my R7950 - to green freaks get their global planet Heat Get Lower few deg. by me too 8-] 

(im also interesting in saving "home world .....cataclysm")

 

my AIO is so cheap that  i wanna to get in delegation to manufacturer to see proces design assembly and quality check before send to customer - they might do  non of those mention on those boxes 8-]

one piece of big .......it.

 

My water pump sometimes get noisy like inside of closed system   >> pump >> pipes >> cooler >>   is to much of air of not fully loaded liquid and buble's make trip around circle all make sometimes jump to pump and it's not normal for sure - As 4 Mechanical Engineer - I know what is happens when to fast pressure drop and raise at short time at that kind devices "cavitation"=No-Good --> AIO on my plan to buy short time.

This one "Velocity" looks pretty handled designed, strictly twice thinked and looked before builded.

 

Can U provide some of details of Your AIO Toys - it's as kit set or all segments made by hande pre prepared Hydro structure, patch route, direction In-Out, Nozzles other accessory ect. , 

 

Look Nasty Work Was Done In Good Style Fixing in Place like Already Was Pre-Desigend For This AIO At  Beginning.

 

It's so not simple to get on such way fine fit in - hard to predict what kind CPU-GPU-PWR-Case-Termo Spots and get each PC on market already be compatible - correct me if i'm wrong.

 

Thanks 4 drop of mystery secret design Your PC's.

BR

Bartosz.

 

 

 

 

 

 

100% No Mistaques - Exist Only If 0% Work Is Done

Thanks Bart!

 

Velocity 2 CPU block for 7800x3d

Quantum Vector 2 for 7900xtx 

Barrow fittings and pipe 

Corsair 360 and 120mm Radiators

Lian Li TL LCD fans 120mm

Bykski 360mm and 240mm Reservoir w/ LCD pump

 

No preset kit. I buy everything individually and put it together. 

No issues with bleeding the air or pump noises. I keep both pumps around 4000rpm and have room to go to 4800rpm if needed

I was gifted the case to see if I could build something in it. So, I just gutted the whole inside and made everything work. 

Build log: New Mod - AMD Community

 

Using the 360 Res with the 360 Rad for the CPU loop. Idling around 32C and topping out under load around 68C. 7800x3d runs a little hot. Ok with me. Love that Velocity 2 block. I will get around to trying it out on a different CPU down the road to get some results.

Using the two 120mm Rad's and 240 Res for the GPU loop. Idle 23C and under load I top out around 45C on just about everything. Perfect for me.

 

 

 

 

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BartPP
Adept I

And What U think about build PC with liquid AC Oil aquarium - oil is used in transformation AC/AC power stations for keeping coils cold in stress consumption and not make fireworks before new year.
 
 They call it "bucket trash" transform unusually, larges ones is as mini bunker. 
 
Get all base hardware Inside of PC with off all neded sockets and connections cables ect on glands with IP67 make external wayout from batch, for sure need some few Litres this Oil (guess min.3L+Coller.Fan.AIO)
 
Such oil is not cheap one, so those some small needs as 3 litters might cost even half typical AIO cooling sets.
 
     But only this one liquid is all parameters needed (term take/drop also fully electrical isolating with low viscosity when needed when we atach cooler pump & extr. alu cooler
 
    also in one time very good lubrication on all parts - I haven't yet see at AIO cheap market designed good, bad cheap design water turbine bearings from s..t and not effective lubrication few spins closed AIO go die very fast if we not make in time corrections of noise pump.
 
Set - get dead in half, maybe one year from 1st Use but we can go in claim defect trip -
 
but feedback by manufact. serv AIO go gets like this:
 
      "Main defect part was by bad usage of product by user/customer - not according instr. manual,
 
        in effect product go unsealed with drop off some cooling liquid, as Low on lev go make w.pump dry spin               work what in next steps stops overheated turbine pump without lubrication instead as in liquid state.
 
       Defect cannot be repaired as free of charge warranty regulation, damage done by customer of wrong handling product & will be fully pay charged for replace new pump, analysis and service all steps claim."
 
Warranty notes we can stick in the end of haircut back - deep low Panties Area 51 street.
 
So I get on mind if my pump finally get on last spinning run I will make a SubRyzen Version in aquarium of transparent oil in all of motherboard hardware as possible 
 
ex. web results .  
BartPP_0-1716173259139.png

 

Need to desing logicall and practical assembling parts to not make everytime dry of board if like to connect some flash or other device to PC and need to go dive with my device to deep oil filled batch box , need to made it modullar any possible way of needed connection to MB as outside dry port ready made -     
 
Any one try kind of this way design - termo issue's  in PC's   ??? (find some clips on YT from even 9 years old)  
 
Be Cool   ---> HOT  <----  Or Hell Red Burn 
 
Till Next Text.
B

 

 

100% No Mistaques - Exist Only If 0% Work Is Done
eebiii
Forerunner

I have seen this a few times over the years, but I wouldn't personally try it. Plus, it would take forever to clean it all after you were done with that setup. lol

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Hi again or maybe still. //dr dree//

U might have point .

costs and all manegem,tn hardware might be not so easy and quick if need plug on some drive to reset system data backup ect - floppy 5.25 even format often operation now on time discoverry between play with dinosaurs // heheh thousand years ago era still in backup memory my head soft 

 

 

so costs to eventual results be not calculated balanced  - cost taken - temp drops skill.

cheaper and faster to sdo in even air fans some mega versions could be reached but like B575 on starting to fly off airport spinning jet engines.

 

so i contact my local supplier of CPU block to provide me technical info if is compatibility with my ASRock MB end other hardware - wish too not have repeat blockpoint like on first Motherboards for Ruzen9  of asus that was already fried out of some bad touch not handy IT self called computer specialist  and make kil my byed one part trying to lucky shot that will run on lees usage - bad shot a take max version cpu and even OC make to check what is worth my machine what can i take it if need extra boost - better to know not to some time disappointing of black screen LCC reached line scrap..

 

other accessory i will order on near market Brand and china do it cheaper  

pipes are from air pressures magistery will do fine also joint with nice pressure handle and sealing - only im not auer what is the lower DIA of inner size to make liquid flow nice and not stressing to much pump those thermal load needs get out side fast and not kicking pump same time on this.

all pumps got limit for how much up giht than can transport designed liquid so better to make upper barrier of possibility = more temp efekt doped and longer life time LCC  is also in this calculated by manufacturers from first bulb company agreement corpo for bounty to collect in never ending story it's a fact. 

 

PUR pipes wil lchose for start IN.Dia=8mm - on main export magistral will take 16 PEX2 Std elastic accessowy form castorama shopping weekend to galery mans pleasure - mechanical building constructing even s...t

but still fun piece of scarp but make joy while beauty take shoes size smaller

to make late evening Armagedon story for neighbors show

"supposed be good, no was good fitted," 

but she bi...ch give smaller and all

those same theory seller make it in purpose

to make her bad day

that size bigger foot she time long ago have  and its a fact

 

8-]    same action life kick ya give me a five 8-]

 

  calm down till she export brain overheating - no action make point till she stop

like washer end point dry program off nothing more

again U make worlds fine mans X-man each moth story no need watch tv got it 1st place live show even tickets no needed - but was and now she wash her strony alone - no fill sorry of her chose path go straight for ya and no seen u soon

 

 

UUUHH GOT TOO DROP IT SOMEWHERE U GET NO LUCK TO TAKE HIT THAT'S A FACT play dead

see ya or maybe till next text 

 

 

100% No Mistaques - Exist Only If 0% Work Is Done
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