PC Graphics

[Weber462]

https://youtu.be/DyRMFNui6vk

[cpurpe91]

Watching some reviews now. While I won't be able to afford any upgrades for a while, I am super excited for these cards.

[MADZyren]

If availability is ok and pricing here is not heavily over 1K, I'll likely get one. Unfortunately this thing might end up costing like 1300-1500 here and that would be a bit... much. I kind of wish AMD would offer money back deals for people who have receipts about buying 5000 or 7000 series AMD CPU from past 6 months.

EDIT: Not sure that is the right expression. What I mean is, if you have a fairly new 5000 or 7000 series AMD, you could get a GPU at reduced price.

[MikeySCT]

Read the guru3d review, what actually shocked me was, that both the RX 7900 XT/XTX actually beat the RTX 4090 in two games, Formula 1 2022 and Watch Dogs Legion at 1080P, with RT enabled!!! Yes, at 1440P and 4K, they dropped back behind the RTX 4090/4080, but this is with RT enabled,

I've never even considered that the RX 7900 cards would even come close to the RTX 4090, let alone beat it (albeit at 1080P) with RT enabled, RT is nVidia crowning glory, something they were supposed to be untouchable at. I have noticed that due to architectural difference, nVidia tends to be better at DX11 while AMD shines with DX13. The COD MW II benchmark scores for the RX 7900 series are impressive as well.

Looks like I'll be snagging a Sapphire (Nitro+), PowerColor (Red Devil), or XFX (MERC 310) to replace my 6900 XT, which will go into my 2nd all AMD rig.

[Saiga-Dono]

Are there any VR reviews?

[MikeySCT]

VR performance isn't a priority at the launch of any new GPU, you'd probably have to wait a while for some sort of VR review, and then again, in VR heavy review sites. Given the sheer performance leap over previous gen cards, I believe the cards are fully capable of a great VR experience.

It's a question of driver optimization I guess. Bear in mind, only reference models have that USB-C port, AIBs don't seem to have it, favoring an extra DP over USB-C.

[EFermi]

7900 series is a disappointment no matter how you look at it.

AMD GPUs are only worth buying if they are much, and I mean MUCH faster than equally-priced competition, or if they are much, and I mean MUCH cheaper than equally-fast competition (which was the reason I got a 6900 - at the time, in january 2021, due to nVidia being far superior in mining performance, it cost significantly less than 3080, in fact, closer to 3070 where I live, but could compete with 3090 performance-wise in rasterization). 

7900XTX barely throws a punch at 4080, not even approaching 4090 par for 1-2 very specifically optimized games. This is a huge loss in my book already, but there's more! With heavy raytracing titles like Cyberpunk or Control, RT "On" throws it down to the levels of 3090-non-Ti, in fact, 1-2 FPS slower, and that's past-gen. The top AMD product is loosing not even to current top, but to a second-in-line previous generation competition. 

[MikeySCT]

Wait a sec, do you really expect a 1kUSD card to match a 1.6kUSD card? Really?

From a few review sites I've gone to, the XTX does indeed beat the RTX 4080, at time sitting pretty between the RTX 4080 and RTX 4090, where it's more or less projected to be. The 7900 XTX was never meant to take on the RTX 4090, it's more of an RTX 4080 rival, at a lower MSRP at that.

As for RT performance, it seems like AMD has improved on it as well, bringing up RT performance to ~ RTX 3080 to RTX 3090 level. Not all of us are RT hoes, heck, the only game with RT that I care about is Metro Exodus PC Enhanced and based on what I get from my 6900 XT, the 7900 XTX would definitely net me much smoother gameplay at 3840x1080.

So, IF you think that RT performance on the RX 7900 series is not good enough, then RT performance the RTX 3000 series aren't good enough either for the matter. Do bear in mind, AMD's Fine Wine Tech, perhaps drivers initially aren't as spit and polished as nVidia's, but they do improve and age well over time. I've seen this myself over time, and has been discussed in various forums.

[EFermi]

Yes. Yes I did. At least in raster. Yes really. This is the only scenario under which 7900 would be preferable to 4080. Once again, 6900 was (and still is) easily comparable to 3090 without RT. And it was $1k vs. $1.5K MSRP (on the market the gap was even larger due to GF being popular among miners). This is the only viable selling point for such cards. If they did on average like they do in CoD: MWII, I would easily disregard abysmal RT, absence of CUDA (not a gaming tech anyway) or PhysX for some of my older games (Batman Arkham series, Darkest of Days) and snap it into my system in place of 6900. Unfortunately, this is not the case. This is a $1000 card competing with $1200 card and only able to win under specific condition (pure raster), but failing miserably otherwise. At this price point, compromise is unacceptable unless the difference in value reaches ridiculous levels. $200 definitely isn't such a "ridiculous value".

[MADZyren]

I don't get why you are so disappointed. 

Prices of all new GPU's have been disappointing for quite some time, but outside that?

7900 XT(-X) seem to perform well. A 4090 is faster, but at the price, is it a good choice unless you absolutely need that performance right now. At 1080p or 1440p 4090 is not exactly practical, while for rendering 3D models often, I can imagine 4090 being a good choice. 

Also as history has taught us many times, over time AMDs GPUs tend to rise in performance more than Nvidia. I don't know why, but "AMD fine wine" still seems to happen.

As a potential customer, I do hope AMD drops price a bit or offers deals for people with Ryzen CPUs, because at least here, pricing of all GPU's is terrible.

[cityuser]

 So, do they bring back fluid motion on video playing? Or more precisely , do we have the asic on chip?

[heart_of_the_tiger]

The pricing on both the 7900 XTX and the 7900 XT is bad. And their naming is misleading, same as with Nvidia's unlaunched RTX 4080 12G. Those cards aren't a successor to the 6900/6950 XT, they are successors to the 6800 and 6800 XT, as they are challenging the 4080 16G. So... AMD raised their prices by 320 and 350 dollars respectively. That's really bad. 

[MADZyren]

I do really need a new GPU, but there are no good price per performance options in market. Maybe I just use an iGPU and forget gaming and other GPU intensive hobbies.

Current situation where I live is that even if every modern GPU were 500 euros cheaper, they would still be expensive, but price would be tolarable. 4090 would be 1800€, 4080 1000€ and 7900XT(X) should be about 800-900€.

[heart_of_the_tiger]

What GPU do you have now? Maybe try to get a 6800 XT for about 500-600 dollars?

[MADZyren]

I have a fairly good GPU, but it will be part of a computer going as a Christmas present to someone whose previous machine is almost a decade old.

I already have a new machine up and running for myself (Ryzen 7000), but no GPU. 6800 XT would be kind of ok, but availability here is terrible and if you can find one, they are >800€ here

(I they were 500-600€ here I would likely get one straight away and while not perfect, it would be enough for my use)

[MikeySCT]

I like the review of the XFX Speedster MERC310 RX 7900 XTX by TPU and guru3d, so I went ahead and bit the bullet, it'll cost me ~1357USD (converted from local dollar) in all. Dunno why I did it though, I'd not be able to install it in my rig till 2nd week of February when I get back.