51 Replies Latest reply on Jul 26, 2018 1:42 PM by colesdav

    Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?

    daymon74

      I have a Moneul Moncaso PC case which is a compact case so I may be somewhat limited in the physical size a graphics card I can use. MAXIMUS IV GENE-Z motherboard, EFI bios,  700w psu, Intel core i5 2500k 3.30GHz cpu. I've never replaced a graphics card, but I understand it can be tricky business to get it right. I'm looking for a good modern card that will handle most if not all modern PC games. This 6570 has been great, but it's time to upgrade. I'm just hoping an upgrade is even possible. 

        • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
          black_zion

          Compact how? Single slot only? ITX form factor required?

          • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
            colesdav

            Hi,


            If you want to stay AMD ...

            How about an R9 Nano or the new PowerColor Nano Vega 56?

             

            You might find this useful ... it contains physical dimensions of lots of GPU.
            Graphics Card Comparison Table (A Sortable Database of Desktop GPUs) - Graphics Cards

             

            Bye.

              • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                daymon74

                Thanks, Colesdav! The R9 looks like it would fit (if I can find one in stock) but the 6570 is PCI Express 2.1 x16 and the R9 is PCI Express 3.0 x16..... I have an idea that is talking about my card slot on the motherboard. If so, does that mean I'm limited to PCI Express 2.1 graphics cards?

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                    pokester

                    you would just be limited to the bandwidth of pcie 2.1. it would still work fine. realistically that card wouldn't have more bandwidth than the 2.1 spec enough to make a real difference, IMHO.

                    • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                      colesdav

                      Hi


                      I guess you mean the R9 Nano looks like it would fit.
                      It should fit and it really packs a punch in terms of gaming performance. It has 4GB HBM memory which is very high bandwidth. Dont worry that it is only 4GB.
                      It will run vast majority of games at good speed and performance on very high settings.

                       

                      PCIe2.0x16 versus PCIe3.0x16 should not impact gaming performance by that much.

                      An R9 Nano will run on PCIe2.0x8 PCIe2.0x4, and even on PCIe2.0x1 - USB.0 - PCIe_16 slot mining adapter.

                       

                      I will take a look at your motherboard specs though.

                       

                      If you can tell me exactly which make and model of your HD6570 (Sapphire? etc) you have we could check the exact dimensions or your card  and double check how it compares to the R9 Nano.

                       

                      You will likely need to purchase and R9 Nano second hand on Ebay but if you need some advice on that then send me a direct message here and I will tell you what to look out for and what to negotiate w.r.t. testing and inspecting the card within the 14 day return period.


                      If you do not want to do that then you could look at RX550 cards but they are lower performance, it depends what games you want to run.

                       

                      Bye.

                        • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                          pokester

                          I linked at really nice 1050ti low profile, if any interest in the green team from amazon for 169, that would be nice. But it is held up by the moderators, my links never get approved until Matt comes in for some reason.

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                              pokester

                              if interested search for

                              Zotac ZT-P10510E-10L Graphics Card   on amazon

                               

                              I think it would be far more powerful than a RX 550 solution and has low power requirements. I have a full height version of this card and it performs very well. It will run any game I have, even current AAA at reduced settings, 1080p.

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                                elstaci

                                AMD Forum is run by a program called JIVE. JIVE is the one that puts your posts for approval automatically if it has a link in it. Depending on the link you post.

                                • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                  colesdav

                                  Hi,


                                  Yes if daymon74 cannot get hold of an R9 Nano and the PowerColor Nano Vega 56 is not of interest then Nvidia may be the only option available.

                                  Zotac make great small form factor Nvidia GPU's. I am very interested in the Zotac GTX1080Ti Mini for myself. They are about 650 here.
                                  I think it might be too big for daymon74  PC case though.


                                  There are also compact ITX GPU from Gigabyte. The Gigabyte GTX 1070 Mini 8GB is wider than an R9 Nano but it is the most comparable compact card from Nvidia and beats R9 Nano performance. I think they cost about 450.

                                   

                                  A GTX 1060 mini 6GB is also possible it should run ~ at or below R9 Nano performance.  They cost about  270.

                                   

                                  A good example of a used R9 Nano should sell for about 250-300 on Ebay or you may be lucky to get unused one from a retailer for ~ 300-350.

                                   

                                  Bye.

                              • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                black_zion

                                The R9 Nano has been discontinued for some time, so you're limited to the used market for it, and the Sapphire and PowerColor Vega Nano so far are vaporware. Do you need that size of a case or can you swap to a proper tower with room for a full graphics card? Another question is what do you mean by "handle" games, as in what is your target, such as 1920x1080@60?

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                                    pokester

                                    Good point! Might be worth 40 bucks go move to a big case!

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                                      daymon74

                                      This one is an MSI. Nont sure of the exact model. Took a picture of the label on the back if that helps.

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

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                                      • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                        colesdav

                                        Hi,

                                         

                                        There have been multiple reviews of the PowerColor RX Vega Nano recently so I am assuming they will start to turn up in retail soon.
                                        Not searched everywhere but they are starting to show up for sale.
                                        Maybe this is a scam, if so it should be reported. to Ebay.

                                         


                                        Bye.

                                          • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                            daymon74

                                            Saw one on Newegg, but it was out of stock.... maybe they just created the listing for when they come in? I sure hope that price isn't right. Those are 8GB instead of 4 like the R9. I wonder if that's overkill for my setup. Looks promising though!

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                                                pokester

                                                I would tell anyone if they can get 8gb on a card at this point to go for. I have lots of games that use it now, and couple that even would like a little more than that! I wold say at this point a 4gb is the bare minimum if you want to play games and becomes a quick bottleneck with AA and high or ultra textures in many current games.

                                                  • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                    colesdav

                                                    Hi,


                                                    Which games did you need 8GB of textures on and on what card and resolution?
                                                    I am genuinely interested because I have been looking into what will kill a pair of R9 Nanos at 2K on maxed out textures and graphics.

                                                     

                                                    The memory bandwidth and compression is important not just the capacity.

                                                     

                                                    The R9 Fury/Nano have 4GB of HBM and they cope with running all games I have tried so far at 1080p/2K resolution with maxed out textures and graphics settings such as Middle Earth: Shadow Of Mordor with the large texture pack. Doom on Nightmare textures. Hitman, Rise of the Tomb Raider (does start to struggle in one area) , and Crysis 3.

                                                     

                                                    One game I have found that does kill the R9 Fury/Nano is Forza 7.
                                                    I do not think  it is necessary to run games at absolutely maxed out AA settings at 2K though.
                                                    I think 4GB of HBM for gaming will be o.k. for a while.

                                                     

                                                    You do have to balance the VRAM versus the Resolution you want to drive versus the power of the GPU.
                                                    The HD7970 OC 6GB card I have is an example which had lots of VRAM at the time but the GPU was too weak to run 2K games at high framerates anyhow.
                                                    It was more geared towards multi-monitor and the proposal was to crossfire them to get the performance, but they were so rare I could only find one of them and they are big 2.5 slot cards ... which meant 2 in Crossfire blocked too many PCIe ports. Hence my reluctance to ever go for > 2 slot high card again.

                                                     

                                                    Bye.

                                                  • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                    colesdav

                                                    Hi,

                                                     

                                                    RE: I wonder if that's overkill for my setup. Looks promising though.

                                                     

                                                    I think that price is too high I agree. They are only RX Vega 56 and not RX Vega64. They have 8GB HBM. They do perform better than an R9 Nano in Gaming based on the benchmarks I have seen from reviewers.

                                                     

                                                    You need to decide how much you are prepared to spend.

                                                    You need to decide what gaming performance you want, which games do you want to play, and are you happy with 60FPS or 75FPS or do you need 144FPS.  Do you want a FreeSync Monitor.
                                                    Do you want to stick with 1080p or 2K or 4K monitor.
                                                    Are you prepared to change the PC case, if so the entire situation changes.

                                                     

                                                    Just looked on Ebay.com. There is a good example of an unused R9 Nano on Ebay.com for $300  Buy it now price. - It isn't one of mine ;-).

                                                     

                                                    Your CPU should be fine - it has 4 cores and should cope with most games. You could probably find a used  i7 4core 8 thread version and upgrade it if you wanted for reasonable price.

                                                     

                                                    Bye.

                                                      • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                        daymon74

                                                        Considered upgrading the cpu, but there again I'm not sure if this MB will take a newer intel cpu. I originally went with the i5 because the i7 in my laptop got stupid hot, and being a compact case I didn't want to run into heat issues. Kind of rethinking that now. I'm a bit leery of buying an older compatible one used.

                                                          • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                            colesdav

                                                            Hi,

                                                             

                                                            OK - as you may have guessed I do buy second hand GPUs, Started because AMD were late with RX Vega 64.
                                                            Once that started I then looked at second hand CPU...
                                                            I have purchased second hand Intel Extreme i7-920XM for one of my laptops replacing an earlier i7-720QM processor (which still works).
                                                            That CPU gave me a significant boost in performance and it cost me 80 on Ebay.

                                                             

                                                            In your case you would have to look for a compatible CPU with the same socket as is used on your motherboard.
                                                            Asus usually provide a list of certified CPU's...

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Bye.

                                                            • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                              colesdav

                                                              Hi.

                                                              Here is the list of your CPU options:
                                                              MAXIMUS IV GENE-Z CPU Support | Motherboards | ASUS Global
                                                              You might be able to find some of those new. If heat is a problem you could always try a Corsair AIO cooler if their is room in that case to fit one.

                                                               

                                                              I will be away from the forum for a while.
                                                              Good luck in getting a PowerColor  RX Vega 64 Nano if that  is what you decide on.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              Bye.

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                                                  pokester

                                                  https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-ZT-P10510E-10L-Zotac-Graphics-Card/dp/B06XCXGVGR/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1531770727&sr=8-4&k…

                                                   

                                                  I think this would be a great replacement card. I couldn't find a low profile AMD product available that I feel is an equivalent. Looks like stock is depleted on them? My personal opinion is that these run better with older cpus too. My 1050 ti our performs my RX 580 on an old Phenom II x6 setup. I know it sounds crazy but it does. Now if you have the cpu power to drive it, the RX 580 would blow it's doors off. But right now I'd say the green team has a slightly better product at the low end plus the price is good and more importantly I can find one.

                                                   

                                                  If you can find an RX 550/560 low profile it may suite your needs just fine too. I never had one myself and can only tell you the 1050 ti is a solid card. It's power requirements are lower than your current card too. So you should be good there as well.

                                                  • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                    colesdav

                                                    Hi,

                                                     

                                                    Thats a nice motherboard, it deserves at least 1 R9 Nano ;-).

                                                     

                                                    MAXIMUS IV GENE-Z | ROG - Republic Of Gamers | ASUS Global


                                                    The specs are here:
                                                    MAXIMUS IV GENE-Z | ROG - Republic Of Gamers | ASUS Global

                                                     

                                                    It says you can run at PCIe2.0x16 or dual PCIe 2.0x8.
                                                    You could run 2 R9 Nanos on that board although you will start to see a performance drop at PCIe2.0x8 bandwidth with 1 R9 Nano, and I am not suggesting you go MultiGPU unless you have a very good reason other than gaming.

                                                     

                                                    Bye.

                                                      • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                        daymon74

                                                        Isn't this what crossfire is for? Let me see if I understand this correctly. If crossfire is being used (playing a game or something) I'll get a performance boost, but during normal use there would be a performance drop because its only using one card which has a decrease in PCI because 2 slots are being used?

                                                          • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                            pokester

                                                            I am not much of a crossfire fan myself. I think Dave has had way better and more experience with this. It will only help in games optimized for it and if the current driver is working for it too. So much of the time it can be more trouble than it is worth. It is usually maybe a handful of games that are helped and overall stability can suffer by having the second card in place. It is IMHO only a great solution when the planets align just right, and that doesn't happen often. I would always recommend a single card solution that meets your needs over multi card. I like to stick to the logic of just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Although moving forward it is looking like multi gpu in DX 12 will ultimately replace crossfire tech and maybe finally make 2 and more cards a far more pleasant experience than it has been. Your will even be able to mix AMD and NVIDIA together. That would be great! However I know of no DX12 games aside from Gears of War 4 and Ashes of Singularity that do multi-gpu currently, there may be others I don't know of. In normal Windows yes only one of those cards would be utilized.

                                                            • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                              colesdav

                                                              Hi,

                                                               

                                                              You motherboard PCIe slots are PCIe Gen 2.0x16 - little to no performance loss for a single GPU.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              However if you connect another matching GPU on that motherboard you will then have

                                                               

                                                              PCIe Gen 2.0 x 8 for the Primary
                                                              PCIe Gen 2.0 x 8 for the Secondary.

                                                               

                                                              Unfortunately PCIe2.0 x 8 you will see GPU performance start to drop off.
                                                              So if you were to have two GPU on your motherboard, and Crossfire were disabled, you would see lower performance on the Primary GPU.

                                                               

                                                              If you enabled DX11 Crossfire on a supported game you should see a performance improvement but I do not think it is worth it to go out and buy two cards just for Crossfire.

                                                               

                                                              If your motherboard were PCIe3.0x16 for a single card or
                                                              PCIe 3.0x8

                                                              PCIe 3.0x8

                                                               

                                                              You would not see a performance hit on the Primary card.

                                                               

                                                              Bye.

                                                                • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                  daymon74

                                                                  That is a BUMMER. Seems like kind of a useless feature other than the rare occasion it might come in handy. I'm liking what I see in the PowerColor RX Vega Nano. Guess I just gotta wait for it to start shipping. Thank you guys for all of the help and suggestions!!!!

                                                                    • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                      colesdav

                                                                      Hi,

                                                                       

                                                                      The PowerColor RX Vega 56 Nano is longer than the R9 Nano. Please double check the length of the card will fit in your case.
                                                                      I have been sending links out about good video reviews and info on Vega 56 Nano and I will point you to those next.

                                                                       

                                                                      Bye.

                                                                      • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                        colesdav

                                                                        Hi,

                                                                         

                                                                        Crossfire DX11 and DX12 MultiGPU are definitely not useless as long as your motherboard PCIe slots have good bandwidth and there are specific AAA games you like and you know support it then great. If you already have one GPU and you find a matching GPU at low cost then it is worth it. Or if you use Blender MultiGPU rendering or are using MultiGPU for other reasons then you may as well make use of DX12 MultiGPU or DX11 Crossfire.

                                                                         

                                                                        Last year when the RX Vega 64 was launched I looked at a detailed review of the RX Vega 64 8GB Liquid running on Prey in DX11.
                                                                        I could match the FPS performance running two R9 Nanos in Crossfire DX11 on an older CPU.
                                                                        DX12 Crossfire runs very well and gives a very good performance boost.
                                                                        However I have multiple GPUs for rendering and other Compute already.

                                                                         

                                                                        You are much better advised to buy one more powerful GPU than 2 cheaper GPU to use in DX11 Crossfire or DX12 MultiGPU.
                                                                        It will be much easier and you will have day one support for all of the latest games.

                                                                         

                                                                        Bye.

                                                                          • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                            pokester

                                                                            I found reading all the crossfire/sli issues in this three page thread at guru3d to pretty well illustrate the benefits and frustrations of that technology:

                                                                             

                                                                            battlefield 1 dx12 crossfire | guru3D Forums

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                                                                              • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                                colesdav

                                                                                Hi,

                                                                                 

                                                                                I was involved in Beta Testing Crossfire DX11 and MultiGPU DX12 on Battlefield 1. I tested on Dual PowerColor R9 Nanos at the time.
                                                                                There were some flickering issues initially but they were resolved on my cards pretty quickly after sending in feedback.
                                                                                Not been a problem for me on Battlefield 1.


                                                                                Many people were complaining they were seeing negative scaling with Crossfire DX11 or MultiGPU DX12 at 1080p resolution on cards like RX480 8GB.

                                                                                 

                                                                                I took a quick look at Battlefield 1 MultiGPU DX12 and DX 11 Crossfire performance again with latest version of Windows 10 64bit, Adrenalin Driver 18.71. Primary GPU = R9 Fury X, Secondary GPU = R9 Nano, i7-4790K CPU, 32GB Ram.

                                                                                 

                                                                                All testing was run on BF1 with Ultra settings (i.e. graphics completely maxed out).


                                                                                I noted the following.

                                                                                 

                                                                                (1). Battlefied1 in Campaign mode or in Multiplayer mode is very CPU intensive.

                                                                                 

                                                                                (2). There is some additional CPU overhead (10-15%) to run DX11 Crossfire or DX12 MultiGPU.

                                                                                 

                                                                                (3). If I run BF1 in DX11/DX12 with Crossfire/MultiGPU disabled I can hit 110/120 FPS at 1080p.

                                                                                 

                                                                                (4). if II run BF1 in DX11/DX12 with Crossfire/MultiGPU enabled I can hit 100/110 FPS at 1080p.

                                                                                 

                                                                                (5). From (3), and (4). above this tells me I am seeing slight negative scaling on BF1 at 1080p Ultra, graphics settings maxed out with Crossfire/MultiGPU enabled. I saw no texture Flicuring or graphics corruption issues.

                                                                                 

                                                                                (6). My conclusion is that the GPU is not limiting the FPS performance, but the CPU / game engine is limiting the performance at 1080p. It looks like BF1 does not generally to go above ~ 60-75% CPU Utilization. I did not have time to look into this but there might be a way to increase that limit and push up FPS performance. Another way to quickly increase FPS performance is to drop AA level by one setting and immediately gain an extra 10-15 FPS. In any case, 120FPS on DX12 with all graphics settings maxed out with a single R9 Fury X and an old i7-4790K sounds pretty good to me. It would be nice to hit 144FPS for top end Freesync monitor though.

                                                                                 

                                                                                (7). A better way to look at how MultiGPU DX12 or DX11 Crossfire is performing is to run at graphics settings and resolution which cause a single GPU to struggle w.r.t. FPS but does improve graphics quality. In my case I run BF1 in MultiGPU at 4K Ultra using Virtual Super Resolution on a 1080p Monitor , graphics settings maxed out. A single R9 Fury X can manage about 45 FPS in DX12. Running in DX12 MultiGPU in this case runs at ~ 85 FPS. This time,  where the game performance is GPU limited with a single GPU I get good scaling, much better visuals and resolution, and the FPS is > than most 4K 60Hz monitor needs.
                                                                                Crossfire DX11 also shows positive scaling, but is not as good s DX12 MultiGPU.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Based on what I looked at yesterday, BF1 is running very well and scaling well at 4K Ultra, maxed out graphics with DX12 multiGPU.
                                                                                Although DX11/Crossfire and DX12 MultiGPU do show slight negative scaling at 1080p, I think the limitation at that resolution is my CPU, not the GPU.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Bye.

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                                                                                  colesdav

                                                                                  Hi,

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I thought you might be interested to see an example of running BF1 at 4K Ultra settings with R9 FuryX and R9 Nano in DX12 multiGPU.
                                                                                  Example here: BF1 run at 4K Ultra settings with R9 FuryX and R9 Nano in DX12 MultiGPU. - YouTube

                                                                                  It was run on an i7-4790K with  32GB Ram.
                                                                                  I used FRTC to limit the peak FPS to 60.
                                                                                  Room temp here was 36'C today- heatwave, so the cards and PC are struggling.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Bye.

                                                                                    • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                                      pokester

                                                                                      Nice, I can't wait until this tech is wide spread. I'm sure they will find a way to keep us from stringing a few cheap cards together.

                                                                                        • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                                          colesdav

                                                                                          Hi,

                                                                                           

                                                                                          It only works on a subset the few DX12 games that are available today and I think a single RX Vegs 64 8GB Liquid would give similar / better performance with much more convenience. It gives maybe  1.5x-1.7x scaling on that BF1 campaign.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Here is the performance on a single R9 Fury X for comparison: BF1 run at 4K Ultra settings with single R9 FuryX DX12. - YouTube.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          The cards can run at similar performance on some of the BF1 Multiplayer campaigns such as Brusilov offensive but in one large open map I tried yesterday I get lower FPS. Not suggesting anyone play Multiplayer FPS Shooter at 4K, 40-60 FPS, just looking at GPU performance.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Definitely not a reason to go out and buy two GPU's but it works in BF1 single player campaign, I have the GPUs anyhow.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          RE: cheap cards - the cards would be expensive new, the only reason they are cheap is because they were 'previously owned'.
                                                                                          It would be interesting to see how a pair of new  PowerColor Red Dragon RX580 8GB  would perform because they are ~ 220 each here.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Bye. 

                                                                                            • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                                              pokester

                                                                                              Yah that is where I really like the idea of multi gpu is it is just plain more convenient in theory as it is the game that controls it not the driver. So I could have a new card and a couple old cards in the same machine and only in games where I enable Multi GPU in game would the other 2 cards help. This would again in theory eliminate most of the downside of crossfire/sli. Crossfire has received just plain awful to non-existent focus the last 2 years and even the green team fans complain of issues on sli now more than ever. I have thought for a year now that Crossfire and SLI are just about dead and everyone is waiting for DX12 multi gpu to really take off. It just is taking forever to get the from-the-ground-up DX12 engines that will truly utilize this tech to the market. Unfortunately with development cycles it is usually at least 3 years. I have a HD7950 and a R9 380x that could be giving me a decent boost once an engine can utilize it. By the time the tech is available in mass I will likely be on to another card but maybe my current card will still be the secondary. I hope so.

                                                                                                • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                                                  colesdav

                                                                                                  Hi

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  Crossfire DX11 and  DX12 multiGPU on latest AAA games was really good on my R9 Nanos between the release of the RX 480 and the launch of RX Vega 64/56. It had to be because a pair of RX480 was the only way to take on a single GTX1080 from Nvidia at the time.
                                                                                                  I remember the big Ashes of the Singularity DX12 multiGPU demo by AMD comparing 2 RX480 to one GTX1080.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  Crossfire DX11, and Windows 8.1 64 bit driver support ended (silently) since Crimson ReLive 17.7.2 launch which coincided with the release of the RX Vega 64 and 56. I think the Vega 64 turned out way too power hungry for Crossfire DX11/ DX12 multiGPU. Although Crossfire DX11 still works in older titles I do not see it getting fixed if it breaks for some reason in the future.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  The stability of the AMD Crimson Relive drivers bombed out for me since 17.7.2 release, then gradually improved until before Christmas, then first AMD Adrenalin drivers were pretty unstable. It was ~ end February 2018 before Adrenalin Drivers were stable enough for me to use I just went back to 17.7.1. until then.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  I have mostly run multiGPU D12 with ~ matched AMD cards such as R9 Nanos or R9 FuryX/Nanos.
                                                                                                  Interestingly Ashes of the Singularity used to provide excellent scaling with a pair of R9 Nanos but for ~ 1 year it has shown negative scaling. I have reported this to AMD. They do not seem interested.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  I did run an R9 Nano with an Nvidia GTX 780Ti  > 1 year ago when Ashes multiGPU was working with positive scaling on my R9 Nanos.
                                                                                                  It did work and it did show some positive scaling at the time.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  It seems sometimes that all of these fantastic new technologies promoted like DX12 MultiGPU, Radeon Chill,  and some features promised on Vega are more Marketing fiction or short term efforts than reality.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  I note on one of your other posts that you purchased an Nvidia card - can I ask which model?

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  Bye.

                                                                                                    • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                                                      pokester

                                                                                                      I actually have 2 current gen Nvidia cards. Neither high end but both work great. I have the 1050ti 4gb. At stock speeds it will do medium to high 1080p good. The crazy thing is that it over clocks like crazy. With it overclocked at around 160% it will do high to ultra settings with AA and shadows dialed back or AA off. Still just fantastic for the value of the card. This is where I wonder IF SOMEHOW they will stop people under Multi GPU from putting 3 1050 ti together for half the price of a 1080, like the do with SLI? Then last month I bought a 1060 6gb for $189 and it rocks. I think my RX 580 out does it at 1440p and DX12. It however was plug and play. It sips power and is super stable. You know how it is supposed to work. Like AMD was 17.7.1 drivers and earlier! I have zero complaints about either green team card.

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                                                                                                          colesdav

                                                                                                          Hi,

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          Interesting info.

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          My GTX780Ti has been great - it was cheaper than the HD7970 OC 6GB card that failed on me (although I have 'repaired' it, and performs better on most titles.
                                                                                                          I had to pair the HD7970 OC 6GB with an R9 280x OC 3GB to beat the GTX 780Ti.


                                                                                                          The Nvidia drivers have been very stable. Updating drivers just works for the most part.GeForce Experience is now just as good as Crimson ReLive recorder now.

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          I do not like the fact that you have to log into Nvidia to use GeForce Experience but the same thing was true of Raptr AMD Gaming Evolved App.
                                                                                                          I think they need to do it to allow automated game setting optimizations, which AMD no longer provide.

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          Since Nvidia still provide drivers for Windows 8.1 64bit, but AMD force users onto Windows 10  early I find comments about GeForce Experience data mining versus AMD Adrenalin a ridiculous comparison. You do not have to use GeForce Experience anyhow.


                                                                                                          If you want to move to Linux, the Nvidia experience is easier on Ubuntu at least. There is a Linux GUI for Nvidia cards to control your GPU Fans and monitor temps and set graphics settings etc. AMD have nothing in comparison at the moment.

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          I was pretty happy with the R9 FuryX and Nanos up until this time last year though, and I would prefer to stay with AMD cards.

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          Things that are pushing me towards purchasing Nvidia next time are:

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          (1). Adrenalin Driver instability.

                                                                                                          (2). Power consumption on AMD GPU's is much higher than Nvidia cards, meaning no 2 slot high air cooled Vega 64 GPU that will not run loud and throttle. Can't even find a 2 slot high Vega 56 GPU yet. I can get a GTX1080 for similar price  to a Vega 56 and some GTX1080Ti prices close to RX Vega 64 until recently.

                                                                                                          (3). Dropping Windows 8.1 64bit Drivers,
                                                                                                          (4). AMD Linux driver situation on Ubuntu and other Linux. No GUI to monitor or control cards.
                                                                                                          (5). Radeon Chill does not work properly on any of my AMD GPUs. I think someone in AMD to demonstrate that it actually works or else stop promoting it or fix it.

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          Bye.

                                                                                                        • Re: Suitable Upgrade for Radeon HD 6570?
                                                                                                          pokester

                                                                                                          I saw some really cool demo online about a year ago of a AMD primary card with a Nvidia secondary. They did the test with it reversed, with two AMD cards and with 2 Nvidia cards alone with AOTS. It was pretty cool because the best scores were with the cards mixed and the AMD primary. This really shows DX12 to work but I worry that as the implementation is controlled at the game engine. I worry that as NVIDIA and AMD endorse games that often mean money and free product to the developers. That they will in turn make sure lower end cards don't work in Multi GPU. Obviously the president on this is set in crossfire and sli as they already limit this for no other reason than they don't want you to.