12 Replies Latest reply on Dec 21, 2016 7:10 AM by hardcoregames™

    system requirements

    hardcoregames™

      I have completely updated my page on system requirements

      Now I use an embedded worksheet so if I need to tweak the machine specs it is easier

       

      SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS » HARDCORE GAMES™

       

      I use the console as the era for games for want of a metric

       

      The new gen 9 will be very demanding so it will be slow to be adopted due to the cost

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          No, frankly, I do not go agree with you to say there is something on the 9th generation of game console. The reason is obvious that Xbox One S and PS4 Pro are the only updated version, rather than the next generation!

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              hardcoregames™

              given the move to 4k UHD from HDTV I consider it a new generation with bumped up system requirements etc

              consoles have become more PC like over time which now leaves Nintendo on their own

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                  No, they are not the criterions for the 9th generation of game console. And both consoles mentioned are only the updated versions rather than another generation. Sorry!

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                      hardcoregames™

                      the old xbox 360 used a power pc processor so they had to use an emulator to achieve backwards compatibility

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                          Streaming from server, well, that is a common thing. Such as the NTVDM to use an emulator to emulate the real mode instruction set, Rosetta in Mac OS X to emulate PowerPC applications. But they are none the case with the 9th generation.

                           

                          For the 7th generation of game consoles, all are based on the PowerPC architecture, including the Xbox 360. But Playstation 3 is an innovated design for its Cell processor or APU, star architecture. But there are distinct differences between the 7th and 8th. The 8th generation seems more or less the general purpose computer specified for games, rather than the game console like previous generations, no matter Xbox One or Sony Playstation 4. The Xbox One S and PS4 Pro only bring the improvements to its previous products. There is no revolutionary change at all, so they are still on the 8th generation.

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                              hardcoregames™

                              The PS3 was a developers joke so 90% of games used a single thread game design. The CPU in the 360 was dramatically easier to use.

                               

                              Streaming is simply another way of saying remote desktop or terminal services with windows 98

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                                  PS3 is an excellent game console, and for very specialised developers. The main cell processor has only a traditional core with two threads and 6 assistant cores utilised by the game applications and one for operating system.  The real power is not that traditional core, but those assistant cores. Fine programmed, the Cell processor would easily defeat the processor in Xbox 360, which is just a triple core processor. Yeah, Streaming is a service provided by the remote servers. Emulate the Xbox 360 on AMD APU is a little bit effort, if the frequency is high enough. But emulating the PS3 games on AMD APU, it would more efforts!

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                                      hardcoregames™

                                      The problem with the Cell processor is the compilers available were not able to leverage the auxiliary cores

                                      This is mainly due to games being offered to PC, Xbox and PS so the least path of resistance is what most ended up doing.

                                       

                                      Now that 8th gen consoles are low end PC games will improve as now development tools are much more consistent

                                       

                                      My HD 7870 has more GCN cores than 8th gen consoles so it is still viable. I am looking at more powerful cards but I am not sure what I I am going to get next.

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                                          Cell processor is merely an APU, no GPU inside. Yeah, AMD HD 7870 is excellent, but it is merely a GPU. Even though the games for PS3 is not that excellent than for PS4 and/or Xbox One, coding at the bare metal (involved in machine coding or assembly) is much more charming. That is the thing which the 8th gen consoles could never replace it.

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                                              hardcoregames™

                                              The CPU in the Xbox One and PS4 do not even have any L3 cache at all. Which is why my old Phenom still can handle the most demanding games fine.

                                               

                                              I have 12288MB of memory which is more than needed for gaming, but I use several other demanding programs that need the memory.

                                               

                                              One Ryzen ships I will reconsider the rig and how much CPU i need vs how much video card I need

                                               

                                              I am looking at 125W for my existing CPU at 45nm, should 14nm be able to do more with 65W or less?

                                               

                                              My video cards are 150W or more. I tend to buy power pig cards all the time.

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                                                  There is no business with the L3 cache for the performance for the processors in Xbox One/PS4 and your Phenom, they are based on completely different microarchitectures, designed for completely different purposes and applications. Games for game console are different from general purpose applications, so they both put different requirement onto the actual processors. Your old Phenom is based AMD 10h/10.5h microarchitecture, which is a moderate architecture, just good for any application. AMD FX or other bulldozer based processor are designed for light but multi threading applications, for the each actual core has comparably few execution units. The volume/size of system memory is charming for general purposes computing, but for game consoles, the bandwidth plays a major role. Such as PS3 has only 256MB system memory, but have a comparably high bandwidth. So you could never put any PS3 game onto a PC with only 256MB to give out the similar performance. There is nothing charming for Xbox 360, because it has a completely different believes for its designers. Microsoft wants to design anything on the level of softwarelised model, rather than the bare-metal. So the Xbox, Xbox360 and Xbox One are almost specialised general purpose computers, heavily based on the directX.

                                                   

                                                  Frankly, I have no lust in Playstation 4 and Xbox One, I could have seldom reasons to purchase any of them, no matter how much the price tag is. I love game consoles for their special designs no matter for their hardware, such as Dreamcast and Playstation 3, but also for their software.

                                                   

                                                  As to the Ryzen processor, if it costs too a lot, its TDP stays too high, I would have no lust in them both. I, just in my own opinion, frankly, would express my own ideas on the Ryzen or other AMD future processors. The actual and potential market for AMD competing against Intel is the Laptop, Tablet and Smart Phones. Those devices may not cost too a lot, but the countless purchaser would accelerate AMD's development for their new products.

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                                                      hardcoregames™

                                                      I have a HP Stream 7 tablet which has 4 cores (Atom) and no hyperthreading. The machine has a measly 32GB of system storage (SDIO) which is the lower power solution. I have an extra 32GB in the machine for misc use.

                                                       

                                                      Ryzen has more L2 and more L3 which will favor Windows 10. I am more inclined to consider a video card over a CPU overhaul in the short run.

                                                       

                                                      The RX 470 has more GCN cores than my HD 7870 which would perk up games a bit which are starting to become slower lately. Maybe the RX 480 would be better for more brute force performance? But now comes Vega which even more GCN cores...