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elstaci
MVP

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

Found this instruction from 2021 on how to locate Fast Boot in BIOS:

"Fast Boot is a feature in BIOS that reduces your computer boot time.

...
  1. Press F2 during boot to enter the BIOS setup.
  2. Go to the Advanced menu > Boot > Boot Configuration tab.
  3. Enable the Fast Boot setting.
  4. Press F10 to save and exit.
 
How do I turn off fastboot in BIOS?
[Notebook] How to disable Fast Boot in BIOS configuration
  1. Press Hotkey[F7], or use the cursor to click [Advanced Mode]① that the screen displayed.
  2. Go to [Boot]② screen, select [Fast Boot]③ item and then select [Disabled]④ to disable the Fast Boot function.
  3. Save & Exit Setup. Press Hotkey[F10] and select [Ok]⑤, the computer will restart and disable Fast Boot.
elstaci
MVP

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

Here is a good example what happens when a critical or important Motherboard connector is loose: https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/q-code-00/m-p/463419#M40164

Tufio
Adept II

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

Found this instruction from 2021 on how to locate Fast Boot in BIOS:

Nope, i don't have it, those are my boot options, from msi site:

Not in boot, is supposed to be in OS settings but is not even there.

Well, i shorted the bios, maybe is in a update?

Here is a good example what happens when a critical or important Motherboard connector is loose:

I NEVER failed the system boot, at most i had a couple crash during windows load.

 

elstaci
MVP

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

Little bit surprised since it seems like most Ryzen Motherboards have that BIOS setting.

The point I was trying to make concerning the Motherboard connections is that if not properly connected, loose or not making good contact, it can cause all types of issues including not booting up.

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simplysimon911
Adept II

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

is your voltage set at 1.4v by default as it seems high. i have my 3700x set at 1.3v max cap and overclocked to 4.2ghz. steady as a rock.

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Tufio
Adept II

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

is your voltage set at 1.4v by default as it seems high. i have my 3700x set at 1.3v max cap and overclocked to 4.2ghz. steady as a rock.

Ok please, check this:

from hwinfo64:

cpu core voltage (SVI2 TFN) from 1.050 to 1.475
Soc voltage (SVI2 TFN) 1.087 to 1.1
Effective CPU core VID is 1.450 to 1.475
single cores VID go from 0.9 (idle) or 0.2 (rest?) to 1.475 (4200mhz boosting)
Power reporting devation (accuracy) is 200+% for average

This is from 30 min or random use, so it can vary a bit

Also, from CPU-Z:

Core voltage goes from 0.200 idle to 1.100/1.300 (browsing/video/youtube) and over 1.400 for medium-high use.

This is all at stock factory bios and updated chipset, balanced ryzen power setting in windows.
Before, disabling boosting gave me 1.1 or 1.2 max volt and around 5-10° cooler temps.

Is all normal?

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Tufio
Adept II

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

And it rebooted again after 14 days of perfect stability, factory bios settings, stock cpu boosting working well.

same as ever, clean restart:

On Fri 23/04/2021 00:41:01 your computer crashed or a problem was reported
crash dump file: C:\Windows\LiveKernelReports\WHEA\WHEA-20210423-0041.dmp
This was probably caused by the following module: ntoskrnl.exe (nt+0x97E686)
Bugcheck code: 0x124 (0x0, 0xFFFFC58FA4EC1BD0, 0xBEA00000, 0x108)
Error: WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR
file path: C:\Windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
company: Microsoft Corporation
description: NT Kernel & System
Bug check description: This bug check indicates that a fatal hardware error has occurred. This bug check uses the error data that is provided by the Windows Hardware Error Architecture (WHEA).
This is likely to be caused by a hardware problem.
The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time.

Nome registro: System
Origine: Microsoft-Windows-WHEA-Logger
Data: 23/04/2021 00:41:05
ID evento: 18
Categoria attività:Nessuna
Livello: Errore
Parole chiave:
Utente: SERVIZIO LOCALE
Computer: DESKTOP-MF97J6R
Descrizione:
Errore hardware irreversibile.

Segnalato dal componente: core processore
Origine errore: Machine Check Exception
Tipo errore: Cache Hierarchy Error
ID APIC processore: 13

Nei dettagli della voce sono disponibili informazioni aggiuntive.
XML evento:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
<System>
<Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-WHEA-Logger" Guid="{c26c4f3c-3f66-4e99-8f8a-39405cfed220}" />
<EventID>18</EventID>
<Version>0</Version>
<Level>2</Level>
<Task>0</Task>
<Opcode>0</Opcode>
<Keywords>0x8000000000000000</Keywords>
<TimeCreated SystemTime="2021-04-22T22:41:05.1590684Z" />
<EventRecordID>45354</EventRecordID>
<Correlation ActivityID="{45c6dc4f-8923-4cfc-b666-856129e0fee4}" />
<Execution ProcessID="3300" ThreadID="3780" />
<Channel>System</Channel>
<Computer>DESKTOP-MF97J6R</Computer>
<Security UserID="S-1-5-19" />
</System>
<EventData>
<Data Name="ErrorSource">3</Data>
<Data Name="ApicId">13</Data>
<Data Name="MCABank">5</Data>
<Data Name="MciStat">0xbea0000000000108</Data>
<Data Name="MciAddr">0x1f80757dfd212</Data>
<Data Name="MciMisc">0xd01a0ffe00000000</Data>
<Data Name="ErrorType">9</Data>
<Data Name="TransactionType">2</Data>
<Data Name="Participation">256</Data>
<Data Name="RequestType">0</Data>
<Data Name="MemorIO">256</Data>
<Data Name="MemHierarchyLvl">0</Data>
<Data Name="Timeout">256</Data>
<Data Name="OperationType">256</Data>
<Data Name="Channel">256</Data>
<Data Name="Length">936</Data>
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</EventData>
</Event>

So sad, i was almost sure it was the loose 20+4 pin cable.

will try to change the psu now.

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simplysimon911
Adept II

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

1 crash in 14 days isnt really major. your also using cpu boost. have you tried it without? it looks more software than hardware.

i am messing with my pc all the time OC and it crashes so i have lower the settings. 

 

what were the temps when it crashed

 

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Tufio
Adept II

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

Wait, is it normal for ryzen to have reboots at stock? it can't be.

I always get those reboots during idle-low use (streaming, low spec games like league of legends, surfing web)

Temps are... fine? From HWiNFO64 is have now 39-44° (if i disable boosting i get 40something and 35 idle), it goes 50-60 for streaming/low games and 70+ during heavy games. (but i don't play those much, maybe is just chance i never rebooted during those)

Still i never had any problems in bios or during stress tests like OCCT, no errors ever. (also done memtest86 and more)

Stock cooler but big nice case with good airflow, the gpu is also a pretty chilly one.
Not really sure about the actual temp during the reboots but if that's the reason, it must be some sudden huge spike.

Now, someone here suggested me a 36 multiplier, that worked very well for like 3-4+ months, but then reboots started again.
I was also unable to put boosting back on, reboot after windows load.

Did some updates again, some days working ok and then reboot.

Then i shorted the mobo, factory stock settings (only ram thing on), boosting worked fine and no problem for the last 14 days. (the normal stock boosting, no oc) 

Now i updated the bios to the newest one out and i will try to manage the cables a bit better, after the next reboot i have a old working psu to try. (but since boosting is now working, i have now no way to reproduce/force those reboots)

At least, bit a bit the stability is improving.

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Tufio
Adept II

Re: Is my 3600 broken?

well, rebooted again after 3 days, and rebooted a second time at windows load 18 sec after.
Then pc worked fine, no windows corruption, no blue screen, same whea logger error.

So, someone suggested me to set "typical current idle" under cpu settings in bios, so the cores stop to sleep at very low voltage and fail to wake up. (This "seems" to be my problem...?)
Let's try that.

I also disabled core boosting to keep the temps down.

And finally got the second psu to try.

Suggestions?

 

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