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Earnhardt
Paragon

Re: FX 9370 Overheating

Oh trust me ,I DO understand and will continue to use my "leak free" AIO coolers as well as Air HSF's.

To those reading:

I have used both types of heat sinks,Air and AIO,I have yet in 15 years have had an issue with either,

they both have Pro's and Con's and are a personal preference.

I have built to many custom computers to count,and have had 0 issues with either.

Use what best suits you and your build.

Do your own research,

techguy
Forerunner

Re: FX 9370 Overheating

Several people here are upset because I have exposed the very real coolant leak liability that exist with ALL liquid coolers. The upset people have been promoting AIO/CLC coolers for years despite the fact that they cost more and are inferior to an equivalent HSF that never leaks coolant to damage PC hardware, as routinely happens with liquid coolers or all types.

Unlike liquid cooler fans I am NOT here trying to convince people to buy any specific CPU cooler. I am exposing the liabilities and shortcomings of AIO/CLC coolers and providing a reliable source of tested HSFs that will cool ALL AMD CPUs properly as confirmed by those of us actually using these HSFs on 8-core FX processors consuming 220w or more. The top 7 HSFs listed at FrostyTech have been proven to be able to properly cool the 220w FX-9000 series CPUs which require almost twice the cooling of the std. 125w AMD FX model CPUs.

By your own admission at least one of the top 7 HSFs listed on FrostyTech is currently available in the U.S. I know for a fact that other HSFs in the top 7 are also available in different markets from the U.S. A CPU only needs one cooler so any HSF that can cool an AMD CPU properly is all that is needed. I don't have any obligation to source HSFs for people in forums. That is the enthusiast's responsibility as different PC hardware is available in different geographic areas of the world. There are HSFs sold in other countries that we do not have an opportunity to purchase from U.S. vendors so the onus is on the consumer to decide what CPU cooler works for them. I don't even care if someone decides to purchase an AIO / CLC - because it's their money and their decision. What I do care about is that they are aware of the liabilities of ALL liquid coolers in addition to the thermal deficiency of many AIO / CLCs compared to less expensive HSFs which never leak and never experience seized water pumps.

Contrary to your false claims - I am NOT misleading anyone. You continue to state that I am responsible to prove that the HSFs listed on FrostyTech are available and 30-50% lower priced than equal performing AIO/CLCs - which I have already done in this forum numerous times in the past. The facts have not changed. You refuse to accept that AIO / CLCs are a coolant leak liability, are not as safe as HSFs, have inferior thermal performance on a dollar-for-dollar basis and other major issues such as water pumps that seize, water blocks that provide no cooling for the mobo VRM circuits, etc. It's your choice to believe whatever makes you happy. However recommending inferior, high liability liquid coolers to PC enthusiast when they can buy a less expensive, equal performing HSF that never leaks water and never experiences a water pump seizure, is a genuine disservice. That is precisely why I have spent considerable time exposing the liabilities of CLCs / AIO liquid coolers. Nothing you can say or do is going to change the facts on liquid coolers. Attempts to disparage my comments does not change the facts one bit and doing so illustrates your disingenuous demeanor.

The FACTS are not my opinion, they are established truths regarding liquid coolers. A CPU only requires ONE HSF which you acknowledge IS available in the U.S. More than likely other tower style HSFs that can cool 220w FX-9000 series CPUs are also available but it isn't my responsibility to search for them and post them here to make you happy. FrostyTech does NOT test all CPU coolers available but they properly test CPU coolers and that is why I use them as a reputable source on CPU cooler performance. There are over a hundred HSFs listed on FrostyTech that out-perform the Corsair H60 which has been recommend by people in this forum for years. Most of these HSFs cost less than the H60 cost and are a far better and much safer CPU cooler than any liquid cooler.

As always I strongly recommend that all PC enthusiasts perform due diligence when making PC hardware purchases. That way they have no one to blame if they have a bad experience with an inferior product with liabilities that were undisclosed by the manufacturer or people in forums hyping their favorite hardware.

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techguy
Forerunner

Re: FX 9370 Overheating

Obviously you did NOT understand or you would not have made the false statement above that liquid coolers are "as safe as HSFs" - because they can't be if they contain a liquid. The above disclosures on liquid cooler liabilities and deficiencies can be easily confirmed by anyone willing to invest a little time and effort. FACTs are not opinions. FACTs are established truisms. My hope is that by providing the technical information above on liquid coolers that PC enthusiasts will be able to make a technically informed purchasing decision that meets their needs regarding CPU coolers. The ultimate choice is always that of the PC enthusiast who is spending their money not me or any other forum member.

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qbtheslayer
Challenger

Re: FX 9370 Overheating

If you want me to stop calling out your misleading posts, just stop posting that list and saying the Tower HSF's are as good at cooling as liquid AIO's.  Clearly your favorite list says they are NOT as effective.  Yes there are a few liquid AIO's that are pretty poor performers, but there are plenty that are stellar (both with cooling and noise levels).  And the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is not on that list, it comes in at 12.8ºC and 47.1dBA on full speed...  27.3ºC on the low setting (not particularly good)....  And this is all at 125W !!!  What do you think it will be like with a FX-9370???  Dream on if you think it can keep pace with a top liquid AIO... it's only rated for 180W.

And the only reason you refuse to post links to vendors of that top 10 AMD (125W) Tower HSF list, is that they are extremely hard to find and most are dis-continued.  I know, I have looked.

I have zero problem with you recommending Tower HSF's (although in the case of 220W CPU's, the person had better have a great case with spectacular air-flow or exceptional Air-Conditioning in the PC environment)...  Just stop saying the Tower HSF's perform as good as liquid AIO's...  and if you can't prove prices, stop saying they are 50% less.

So to sum up, this thread is about a 220W CPU...  It is very hard to find a 220W rated Tower HSF.  So ALL of your posts here do not belong.  Yes there is small risk to a liquid AIO cooler, but AMD recommends it...  that's good enough for me....  feel free to recommend a Tower HSF in the appropriate threads, or at least post a link to one that a person can actually buy.  I am sure they are out there...

QB

techguy
Forerunner

Re: FX 9370 Overheating

The following links illustrate once again the false claims regarding the lists of top 7 CPU HSFs listed at FrostyTech designed to cool 220w CPUs.

1. At least three companies on Amazon sell the Noctua NH-D14 HSF for $71-$73 with free shipping - # 7 of the top 7 AMD coolers at FrostyTech

Amazon.com: Noctua NH-D14 6 Dual Heatpipe with 140mm/120mm Dual SSO Bearing Fans CPU Cooler: Electro...

2. Phanteks PH-TC14PE - #6 on FrostyTech's top AMD HSF coolers for sale on Amazon for $75 . You can buy up to (99) of these coolers at a time.

Phanteks PH-TC14PE 140mm UFB (Updraft Floating Balance) CPU Cooler-Newegg.com

3. Frio Extreme - a 250w CPU cooler available on Amazon.com for $66.-$72 with free shipping - available from at least three sellers.

Amazon.com: Thermaltake Frio Extreme Universal CPU Cooler with Ultimate Over-Clocking Support of 250...

So in conclusion virtually every thing that you have stated about only one of the top AMD HSFs on FrostyTech's list being available is untrue as is your statement that these HSFs are expensive and not 30%-50% cheaper than AIO / CLCs. You ignore the very real liabilities and deficiencies of liquid coolers and try to deceive people about the availability of 220w+ HSFs. You can argue all you want but the FACTS do not change and liquid coolers by their very design have irrefutable coolant leak liabilities, water pump failures and even VRM cooling issues that make AIO / CLCs an unnecessary and poor choice for a CPU cooler. There is NO AMD consumer CPU that requires a liquid cooler. Numerous HSFs are available at low prices to properly cool ALL AMD CPUs including the 220w FX-9000 series CPUs. You fail to understand that the $39.95 Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO was used to illustrate that quality HSFs are available at very low cost for use on 125w CPUs compared to inferior and liability prone AIO /CLCs such as the Corsair H60.

What you chose to use for a CPU cooler is up to you. Don't try to deceive other PC enthusiasts with false claims and denial of established facts because your disingenuous and inaccurate claims will be exposed.

techguy
Forerunner

Re: FX 9370 Overheating

Hopefully the accurate and extensive technical information that I have provided in this thread will help you and other AMD users who have FX-9000 series (or any 8-core FX processor), overheating issues be they CPU or VRM overheating issues. The 220w model FX CPUs require that all important areas for mobo design, PSU - especially the 12v rail minimum 54 amps and proper CPU/VRM cooling parameters are met for reliable operation.

There are numerous FX-8000/FX-9000 overheating threads in this forum that address all of the known and common issues associated with cooling issues with the 8-core FX processors. Reading and understanding these recent threads should allow most people to determine what the actual issue is with their PC and how to correct it. Please make use of these existing threads as this forum is designed to help you learn to help yourself by listing the recent threads related to your particular issue.

For those requesting help it's important to read and follow the link below so that we can help you with your system issues.

Read This First !

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Earnhardt
Paragon

Re:  FX 9370 Overheating

Here's a good FYI:

Origin PC
Only Watercooling (AMD or Intel)

Digital Storm
other than lowest priced desktop,all others are watercooled

Falcon Northwest
watercooling only

ibuypower
watercooling only

Cyberpower
Both,watercooling only with FX9000 series

Alienware
watercooling only

Xidax
few air(2),the rest is watercooled

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