Is this the design intent? Please help:
I haven't owned an AMD product since the original Athlon (no, I am not kidding.) I wanted to build a transcoding machine as a Plex server for movies and such and due to all the hype around Ryzen I thought I would toss them some money and check it out.
When I finish ripping a DVD of mine I use Handbrake to transcode it down to a more reasonable size. This can take varying lengths but to give me time to test it out for this particular thread, I took a 4K video and set up Handbrake to use my DVD preset and go at it.
I hit the temps listed in the title within a little while and it will float from 94°-95°C for a good 40 minute offline transcode. I have everything but the RAM set to Auto in the motherboard bios. Bios, Windows 10 64, AMD processor/chipset driver are all up to date as of today. Windows is set to Windows Balanced power settings and not the Ryzen one - lowest CPU is allowed is 5% with that power plan and 100% is highest. The Wraith Spire is locked on there pretty tight - it won't move and is flush with the included TIM.
Even idle this thing will sit from 38°- 41°C with the included cooler. Is this thing designed to not be used for this kind of stuff? Transcoding via Plex is easier on it and doesn't get near that temp unless a person transcodes a 4K stream to a lower rez, but I prefer offline transcoding that kind of file for obvious reasons.
AMD Ryzen 5 2600X using Wraith Spire cooler (3.6-4.2 GHz)
16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000MHz Ram
ASUS ROG Strix X470-I AM4 mini-ITX motherboard
Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 2GB Graphics Card
Thermaltake Toughpower SFX 600W 80+ Gold Modular PSU
Cooler Master Elite 130 mini-ITX Case
XPG ADATA SX8200 NVMe M.2 2280 480 GB OS drive
Seagate Barracuda Pro 8TB 256MB Cache media drive
Included some pics. Am I going to damage my processor? I am not overclocking it manually at all - it supposedly does it on its own. I believe they call it XFR. It does lower the clock as it gets hotter but I can't imagine why it won't go even lower with that kind of temp.
Is there a built-in temperature offset or something for the 2600X? What can I do? etc.
jaybonaut, how are you measuring CPU temperature? You should consider Ryzen Master as a reference. Please DL and install it (if not currently installed) and post the temperatures you see. Here are the specifications for your processor from the AMD Processor site:
BTW, the image icon at the top here is easy to use and does not use external URLs.
If your temperatures continue (with Ryzen Master) to sit around 94 or 95C, I would be suspicious that the TIM bond is poor or the cooler is insufficient. I went to AIO water coolers some time ago and continue to use only water coolers. I used a Corsair on my 1800X and have a EnerMax Liqtech TR4 on my 1950X. Your small crowded box may be contributing to high temperatures requiring some cooler help. If possible de-clutter your case especially with some cable management. I cannot really say you will damage your processor running long term at these temperatures. That would be for AMD to comment on and I do not represent AMD. I suggest you open an Online Support Request with AMD and ask them. I would feel uncomfortable seeing temperatures at these levels on my system, thus why I am suggesting you consider a better cooler. Enjoy, John.
misterj, I already posted the temperatures I see. I do have Ryzen Master installed but have not made any changes with it.
I detailed the idle temps - does that indicate a poor TIM bond? If not, and the cooler is insufficient, then you are basically telling me that AMD included an insufficient cooler in the box by design/on purpose..?
The box is not crowded, but it is small. If you take a close look at the pictures (click on them to make them larger) you will see there is nothing blocking airflow to the CPU. There is a straight shot from the front fan directly to it, and the PSU is extra tiny to allow even more airflow, and the side fan also has direct access to the CPU. The cables you see are hovering way above the CPU section and do not block any air coming from the two fans. Perhaps I can take a better angled shot to show you that, but I ask you take a second look while zoomed in.
Please note that these high temps mentioned in the title is when I am software transcoding full movies, which is WAY harder on any CPU compared to any gaming being done - same can be said for rendering video in editing programs.
i also think AMD should have sold the 2600x without the cooler. the heatsink is on its limit. 2600x CPU is 95W, the coolers max is also 95W..
originally it was bundled with the 1600x wich has only 65W TDP. im sure for 65W its fine.
i also got 2600x, asrock x470 gaming k4, 16 gb 3200 ram.
i had the same expierence with wraith spire.
1 minute handbreak 85c
2 minute handbreak 92,5c
3 minute handbreak i was at 95c
I reinstalled the boxed cooler 3 times but not getting better. this is in a phanteks case (2 fans in 2 fans out) so i dont think your case size is a big factor.
Then i got a Arctic Freezer 33 TR..
with PBO on "enabled" i get 76,5c....
with PBO on "Auto" i get 66,5c.. all at the 3 min mark
ilde its about the same as wraith spire
i still have to play with PBO settings
PBO and XFR do a lot to temps.
some boards have PBO Levels, check your bios settings
keep an eye on the core voltage, with PBO its higher for sure
can someone tell me why my 2600x with 95W TDP is running much hotter than my previous FX 6350 wich had 125W?
You two are may be talking about two different temperatures. The only valid temperatures to be talked about are the ones shown by Ryzen Master. I do not trust any other application for measuring temperatures especially the free ones. Aida64 is fine, has a fee but I found a problem in it recently concerning Ryzen 2 series. I have no idea what PBO is.
jaybonaut, when I asked you to tell us what your temperatures were as shown by Ryzen Master, I did it for a reason. It is the ONLY official temperature to be compared with the specifications. I have never liked AMD 'boxed' coolers and hope to be able to buy a processor only so I can buy my own cooler. Several years ago I switched to AIO (All In One) water coolers and have had no temperature problems. I do not work for AMD and cannot say what their motivations are for selecting coolers. They certainly do not know the range of cases builders use, ambient temperatures, case circulation etc. I always go overboard on CPU cooler and power supply. Please tell us what your room temperatures and MB temperatures are. Enjoy, John.
misterj, those are the temps from Ryzen Master.
Now, when you asked about temperatures of the room and motherboard, realize that is not something Ryzen Master shows me as far as I can tell. I have two external devices that give me my room temp, and after converting from F to C, the room goes from 21° to 25°C for me to be comfortable. As far as the motherboard is concerned, the software it came with states around 34°C.
jaybonaut, thanks, that all sounds very good, except for the 95-96C from Ryzen Master. If it were me and you plan workloads like these mostly on a continuous basic, I would seriously consider a better cooler. It would be good to ask AMD online support but I would fear these constant close to limit temperatures will shorten your processor life. I used a Corsair Hydro Series H100i V2 on my 1800X and it worked well. You do need the room for the radiator. Enjoy, John.
According to ASUS Support concerning your motherboard, you can set a CPU FAN Profile in BIOS using Q-FAN. http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/ROG_STRIX_X470-I_GAMING/E14353_ROG_STRIX_X470-I_GAMING... .
Also you have a very new BIOS for your Motherboard: ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING Driver & Tools | Motherboards | ASUS USA . (Updating the BIOS can make the Ryzen CPU more compatible with other hardware).
Version 09012018/07/277.81 MBytes
ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING BIOS 0901
Release BIOS 0901 for improving FF XIV BENCHMARK
also AMD CHIPSET :
Version 17.72018/04/08573.23 MBytes
AMD Chipset Driver
AMD Chipset Driver V17.7 for Windows 10 64-bit.(WHQL)
As stated in the OP, the BIOS is updated.
I went and changed the fan profile to Turbo so that it kicks in to 100% a little earlier, just below 70°. There is nothing in the fan profile that could change the results I am talking about at all however.
how many RPM is your wraith spire reporting at a 100%? mine never got above 2200-2300RPM if i remember correctly. i always had the fan set on on 100% past 60 or 70c and still got to 95 with handbreak encoding.
what are your temps now with fan at 100%?