PC Graphics

[Berbadu]

Hello to all. These are my specs:

Pc: Desktop

GPU:ASUS Radeon TUF RX 6800 GAMING OC

CPU: i5 12400f

Motherboard: PRIME H610M-K D4

BIOS Version: 3601

RAM: GSkill Ripjaw 3200  2x16

PSU: MSI A750L Gold (750w)
SSD: Samsung Evo 970 500Gb

OS: Win 10 Home

GPU Drivers: Adrenaline 25.3.1

Chipset Drivers: Intel 10.1.19913.8607

I bought this pc in 2022 and ever sinse I got micro-stutters and underperformance in games. Also if I put my hz to 100 or 60 I get some weird helicopter blades type of flickering(Dont know how to explain that one). I tried other components and only when I change the gpu problem goes away. Core clocks, gpu usage, voltage, power spikes/fractures a lot. I will put some screenshots below. Let me know if you need me to test something or use a program. Sorry for broken english. Any help is appreciated.

This one is stress test on the right side you can see drops of gpu usage, gpu clock and gpu power

This one is in a game micro stutter shows the problem

[johnnyenglish]

I'm sorry but a 12400f is bottlenecking that poor 6800 and probably causing you some issues.

[Berbadu]

I can go buy 5700x3d and a new motherboard. But as you can see in the first screenshot, benchmark doesnt work properly neither. 6800 draws 250w but in the ss you can see its 136w. I am already thinking about buying a more powerful cpu but if I buy it and issure continues I will probably lose my mind.

[johnnyenglish]

I can't say out loud that 100% sure its the CPU but with no other information on sight and already knowing that you are facing up to 20% bottleneck issue, according to the online "Bottleneck Calculator".

It looks that way.

If you are budget constrained, yeah, the 5700X3D can be a good pick but I would consider a brand new 9600X or better.

The RX6800 can be power hungry, but that will depend on the model. Some AIB are really power hungry, take the RoG RX6800 (I have one), it can shoot up to 280/300Watt and if you push the slider higher.... it will go nuts.

Just 136Watts seems to me that the card is being conservative, or if you will, bottlenecked.

New faster memory can also help a lot when comparing to your old 3200 kit.


Good Luck

[Gamer82]

If you want to test the gpu performance install 3DMark and t will tell you after the benchmark if your system is performing as it should. Stutter in games could be caused by some windows applications taking cpu time when you are playing. See the cpu usage graph in 3DMark after you run the test or check task manager if there are abnormal spikes happening. 3DMark on Steam

If bottlenecking means cpu limited then yeah you might be cpu limited but I don't think it should cause a problem if everything is working as it should. You shouldn't use the AMD Stress test. For my RX6600 the stress test looks about the same (takes just 75W power when it's 100W card with 120W raised power limit). 

I wouldn't recommed faster ram than 3200MHz for Intel because it's 3200MHz max (according to Intel spec) and anything faster you're OCing and this might lead to other problems like crashing... and if you don't know how to set gearing you might even get worse performance with faster ram.

Some games stutter no matter what hardware you have. Sometimes it just might be shader stutter or asset loading stutters or just poor game optimization. In some situations it's going to stutter less with faster ram/cpu/ssd/gpu but some games just stutter no matter what.

If you want to less stutter you want buffered cpu frames which mean running gpu 99% in games without Anti-Lag or using Vsync but you do get more input lag that way. You can use Virtual Super Resolution in AMD Software ( Settings->Display) and run games in higher resolution than your displays native up to 8K resolution to get gpu usage up.

EDIT: You can also cap framerate with chill or amd framerate target control but it is possible not as smooth as vsync maybe depends on the game but has less input lag. You can lower the gpu frequency or possibly power limit to get the gpu usage up to 99% when not capped by vsync of fps limit.

AMD is generally not good in terms of stutters.. if you want less stutters and issues in general just get Nvidia.

For me on the RX6600 the way to get less stutters is:

-uninstall any gpu tweaking software and reinstall gpu drivers after this

-all overlays OFF except AMD performance overlay (steam overlay causes stutters for me so disable in steam settings)

-no other apps taking cpu time when gaming or enough cores to handle everything (From my experience Intel eco cores good for this because they take care a lot of the background tasks when games running on performance cores)

-being gpu limited (99% gpu usage). You can lower gpu frequency or go higher details/resolution to achieve this

-amd performance overlay ON (can be set to 100% transparency)

-set amd performance tuning -> gpu tuning -> min frequency higher. Maybe about -200 of max frequency (if your max frequency is 2500MHz put 2300MHz in min frequency)

-Anti-Lag OFF (Some games run less stutters with anti-lag ON though)

-Vsync On in game (or AMD Software depends on the game but sometimes in game vsync has stutters).. and let vsync limit the frames for more smoothness but try to also maximize gpu usage at the same time because usually high gpu usage = smoothness on AMD. Or you can use amd chill or amd framerate target control to cap fps

EDIT: always aim for 99% gpu usage if not capped by vsync or by amd chill or by amd frame rate target control

-use Freesync/G-Sync

-MorePowerTool

You will lose fps but gain smoothness so it's a tradeoff.

You might get shader stutters on the first playthrough of a game after driver install. This is normal and happens in some games while some games use async computing or precalculations for shaders to get smooth gameplay even the first playthrough. Good luck.

[johnnyenglish]

Take into consideration the following stated by @Berbadu 

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@Berbadu wrote:

I bought this pc in 2022 and ever sinse I got micro-stutters and underperformance in games. Also if I put my hz to 100 or 60 I get some weird helicopter blades type of flickering(Dont know how to explain that one). I tried other components and only when I change the gpu problem goes away. 

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So I run into the assumption that:

It happens with the combo of CPU/GPU on the first post.


The faster memory part is referred ONLY in the case of the mentioned CPU upgrade. Not actually for use with the current CPU.


The only thing I completely forgot is, MSI afterburner, if you use it. Because it was reported heavily for causing in game stutters. Same goes if you use the ASUS tweak.

[Berbadu]

Hello again. Sorry for the late reply. I just met some repairman trough my friend. He is the best in town. He just checked my gpu in his repair shop with me and gpu works perfectly. Like mr gamer82 have said I have tried everything on there but no avail. Repairman told me its probably cpu bottlenecking. When I showed him my motherboard he said something like "You buy all that expensive stuff and you put it on that piece of **** motherboard?" That made me laugh a little.He said somethings about cooling stuff on the motherboard is very bad. Im happy my gpu is not the problem. So I will be looking for a cpu and a motherboard. I will let you guys know of any updates. Thanks for your help, much appreciated good sirs.

[goodplay]

I would guess your repairman was referring to low count VRM power phases overheating issues (throttling) on the low end motherboards series.

Something you want to look into for your cpu/motherboard upgrade, Hardware Unboxed is one of that reviews/compares many board models/chipset series for vrm count/overheating.

[Gamer82]

I just want to say it should not be a problem with that motherboard using that cpu.

I advice to first just test the 3DMark and see what it says before making purchase. If you want to spend the money then all good.

If there seems to be an issue in 3DMark first try to reset all Windows Power Settings to default and try again and check cpu/gpu temps that they are not running too hot.

[Berbadu]

Ok, I did the benchmarks you told me to do. Scores are fine compared to average to everyone who has the same components as mine. To my knowledge steel nomad seems fine but in timespy benchmark in demo section there are some spikes and I dont know if thats normal. Let me upload here for you.

Steel Nomad:

Timespy/ Timespy detailed:

[Gamer82]

System looks to functioning like it should in 3DMark .. score ok, temps are fine and no throttling on the cpu.

Your original post shows 35% gpu usage and 40fps.. what is this game?

Try the fixes to increase gpu usage (up to 99%)... should help with the games stuttering. Also just new faster system won't do any harm but it won't necessarily fix your problem.

[Berbadu]

Im happy the system is functioning. Thanks for cheking it for me.

Thats Escape From Tarkov, a very cpu heavy game, I get stutters when I run a lot, turn fast, open inventory, zoom scope but its not the only game I get problems. Also a in valorant, usualy when I use skills, fire, aim. Im realy at lost here because everything seems to work fine in benchmarks.

Also I did not mention earlier because I do not know how to explain it. When pc forces my monitor to go sleep mode after 20 minutes of afk monitor goes dark as expected but like every 30 seconds or so screen goes white for 1-2 seconds and goes to black again.

Also its very rare but another problem is when in games startup menu popsup for 1 second and goes away again. Doesnt affect anything but its kinda annoying.

Maybe these 2 problems are somehow connected?

Edit1:  You told me to increase gpu usage. When I push up the settings to ultra in games gpu usage goes high and fps goes down a little. Thats whats expected but in lower fps stutters happen a lot more. Thats why I always play games in lowest settings so I dont get annoyed by stutters.

[Berbadu]

Just tried steel nomad again. I get spikes this time. Something is really weird

[Gamer82]

I think it's normal for cpu frequency to fluctuate because it's designed to be like that if the usage is low it shouldn't cause issues. Steel Nomad is stressing gpu and very light on cpu. But in Time Spy which is more cpu intensive it looked fine. You can do better cpu testing with something like Download - Prime95 (Options->Torture test) and see Task Manager or some monitoring software if the cpu clocks are solid ~4GHz or if it's fluctuating all the time.

If you want to try something:

-try different display cable (maybe try displayport instead if hdmi or vice versa) and/or display

-turn pc off and all power cords (display and pc) off the wall for 5mins then restart

-go to windows power plan and change to high performance and reset the plan settings to default

-uninstall all custom anti-virus software

-run Online Virus Scanner | Free virus scan | F‑Secure

-Use the System File Checker tool to repair missing or corrupted system files - Microsoft Support

-use AMD Cleanup Utility and reinstall amd drivers after

-update windows

-reset bios to defaults and only enable xmp don't do tweaks that are not necessary

-reinstall and/or verify the games

-reset/reinstall windows

It's hard to say if your game stutters are normal because I don't play those games but if 3DMark looks normal and it doesn't stutter and cpu doesn't throttle down frequency when under load..all I can say games do stutter for multiple reasons sometimes and usually more on amd than nvidia. The display issues are weird I haven't had that happen myself it could be the display or display cable too I guess. 

Anyway there hasn't come up any reason why this cpu and motherboard couldn't function normally in games. I don't think it's "bottlenecking" because there are many videos in YouTube that use your cpu and rx6800xt for example or even 4090 and it works like normal. And the motherboard should work fine with that cpu when gaming. 

You said in the first post that changing gpu fixed issues then maybe that is your fix rather than getting new cpu which might not fix your issues. Maybe try Nvidia this time?

Valorant stuttering fix AMD gpus (READ DESCRIPTION)

Re: 7900 xtx Warzone New Verdansk huge stuttering - Page 2 - AMD Community

(I don't recommend using these fixes because they might make other games run worse.. but other people are having stutter problems on amd with those games also)

[Berbadu]

Yes I have seen people with my specs play games just fine. I keep searching on google for this stuff but noone except me has this exact problem. I dont use any app that can take up resourses in the background. I really tried everything that you recommended in the past including fotmatting multiple times and even different windows versions(win 7-8-10-11 and home and pro versions also). In the past I tried what you send trough the links also.

The thing I see different from other people is the voltage and clock speed spikes on gpu. Because when we tried benchmarking with repairman there were voltage and core clock spikes too but he said that was ok.

I tried ddu yesterday again but no avail. Working fine with stutters. Now in the morning I opened up my pc and screen is locked to 60hz(its 200 normaly) and pc cant see the monitor name(I have multiple monitors so its not a monitor issue). After I restart the monitor amd can see it and its went up to 200hz as normal. Some weird things are happening and Im just fed up with them. I might just sell the gpu for a cheaper less powerful gpu. Dont think I will ever buy asus stuff and amd gpu cards. Thanks for trying to help me I appreciate it a lot, if anything happens in the future I will post here.

[LilKing]

I had similar stutters in all games when i build new pc about 1year ago and i had rx6800xt. For me back then problem was with resizable bar/Smart Access Memory, and i just disable it and everythink was working fine for me! So maybe try it...

[Berbadu]

I already tried that one 😞

[Berbadu]

Alright, I bought 7800x3d ddr5 32gb ram and a new quality motherboard. Cpu and ram performance is great but gpu is still bad. I still got stuttering and flickering issues. The trouble is with the gpu that much is sure. Im gonna try to go to autorities in my country and maybe file a suit to the seller.(Seller refuses to help me). Thanks for all your advices.

[crystalyser]

- amd performance overlay: --> causes stuttering in nearby every game on my system

- set amd performance tuning -> gpu tuning -> min frequency -> 1500mhz is enough on my
  System

- Anti-Lag OFF: (Some games run less stutters with anti-lag ON though) --> The only game where
   active antilag has a positive effect on my system is the latest Battlefield. In DeltaForce it
   causes lags

-  FreeSync/enhanced Sync: causes lags or game crashes since the monthly Windows 11
   Update in february 

- Vsync On: can increase stuttering in some szenarios (

Picture source: AMD Homepage

Did you ever tried it without any overlay?

With the too HWInfo you can check all the Temps (cpu / gpu / mainboard / drives)!

--> reset the show'n "max values" with the clock symbol at bottom of the sensor window
      before starting the game