Graphics

[Spektre99]

The title says it all.

Is the 5600G (paired with a proper motherboard) capable of outputting stereoscopic 3D?  Is it quad-buffered?

[Spektre99]

Thank you, but I am interested in a 5600G.

My setup as stated before:

1. Motherboard make and model - Gigabyte B450 DS3H
2. 3D monitor/TV used (make and model) - Samsung UN85JU7100
3. Cable and adapters used - HDMI cable, no adapter
4. Application used (version and build) - PowerDVD 15
5. OS (version and build) - Windows 10 Pro, 21H2
6. AMD driver - Adrenalin 22.5.1 Recommended (WHQL)

[Spektre99]

Any updates on the 5600G stereoscopic capabilities.  It's been 9 months now and still no answers.

[fsadough]

There is an answer. Didn't you check my previous message? I wish I would get detailed info. 

1. What id the HDMI cable version?
2. What is the PowerDVD 15 build version?
3. What is the 3D content you are testing?

[Spektre99]

HDMI 1.4b

PowerDVD 15.0.2211.58

3D BlueRay Avatar

[fsadough]

You get 3D Stereoscopic thru DisplayPort and not HDMI. 

[Spektre99]

Why ask for the HDMI version above?

So to confirm:

The 5600G APU will output stereoscopic output through the DisplayPort outputs but not the HDMI?  That is bizarre as the 3d format is an HDMI format and most 3D devices are HDMI.

Could you give me your exact test setup for determining the above?

Will it work with an DVD-HDMI adapter?

[fsadough]

It is likely related to the bandwidth. You are right 3D format is mostly HDMI format, however we never advertised 3D Stereo support on Ryzen 5000 Series APUs. My set up is:

• Motherboard: ASUS X570 Plus Wifi TUF Gaming, BIOS Version 4204
• CPU: Ryzen 5 Pro 5650G with Radeon Graphics
• OS: Win 10 21H1 19043.2006
• Driver: 22.2.19.11 Adrenalin Edition
• Projector: Viewsonic LS810 w/ HDMI Input
• Connectivity: DP-Output from X570 motherboard => Club3D DP-HDMI Active Adapter => Club3D HDMI Cable (CAC-1372) => Viewsonic LS810 HDMI-Input

[Spektre99]

Is the 5650G exactly identical to the 5600G?

Can you explain what behavior was seen when attempting the 3d output over the HDMI port?

[fsadough]

No display. 5650G and 5600G are the same

[Spektre99]

Unfortunately after taking 8 months to secure an answer all my locals vendors have sold out of the 5600G.  Thanks AMD.

[fsadough]

Why do you need a 56xxG? You need a motherboard with DP ouput. But you are much better off with getting a low-end GPU

[Spektre99]

It's application is Home Theater and the media case would require a low profile graphics card that does not require power other than from the PCIe slot.  It must be able to output 4k video.  )No gaming performance needed).  Years ago I used a 5450 for this, but it could not output 4k.

The processor is aging and this  is currently being done via an NVidia 1050ti.  Generally, I prefer AMD parts and there are now hoops to jump through to make NVidia cards continue outputting 3D.   The 5600G would be the perfect part if it were still available locally.

Last concern is simply cost.  I need to upgrade the processor.  Even a low end new discrete GPU will run around $150

[fsadough]

Radeon Pro W6400 is a low-end 50W GPU supporting 1x 8K@60Hz or 2x 4K@60Hz

[Spektre99]

This $250 card?  Doesn't seem like a low end price.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1685636-REG/amd_radeon_pro_w6400_graphics.html

The 5600G  is a $120 part at this point.

[fsadough]

As I mentioned the issue is not your APU. If you use the same APU on a motherboard with DP-Output you can get Stereo thru DP and an active DP-HDMI adapter.

For ProGraphics $250 is low-end. You can go with Radeon WX3200 or even a consumer/gamer card

[Spektre99]

Yes, I understand that.  Unfortunately since it took so many months to get to that answer, my local supply of 5600G have dried up.  The $250 card is not low end for 3D output, when it can be had on a part at half the price.

[Spektre99]

I was able to source a 5600G.  I paired it with a new ASRock B550M-ITX/ac motherboard.

I did a fresh install of the current Win 10 64 bit with the Samsung 3D tv connected with an active DP->HDMI converter.

No "3D display mode" appeared in the display controls.

After trying a few thing, I turned off the PC and turned it back on but this time connected to the hdmi port.   The "3D display mode" toggle was there.   Unfortunately, when I toggled it on, the screen goes black for a time, except for the mouse pointer (and a spinning circled next to it.

When the screen reappears, there is no longer a "3D display mode" toggle shown.  Reboots do not bring the option back.  Also there is an exclamation point in the display manager for the AMD Radeon Graphics device.   It states it has stopped the device because it has reported problems (Code 43)

A fresh Windows reinstall does, but only through HDMI and only until it is toggled on, at which point the AMD drivers stop working and report a Code 43.

edit: A DDU clearing and fresh reinstall of the AMD drivers, brings back the 3D toggle, but again, only if the display is connected via HDMI (Not display port) and it only lasts until you toggle it on at which point the drivers choke and give the Code 43 error.

Any pointers?

[fsadough]

Check AMD Shop, plenty available

[fsadough]

A consumer card RX 6500XT goes for $170. There are plenty of discontinued GPUs that are still in the market and can do 3D Stereo. Are you in US or in Europe?

[Spektre99]

USA.   Using the 5600G through Display Port did not work.  No 3D toggle was found under display properties.

It only appears when connecting via the HDMI port directly.

[fsadough]

Please check your system. See below the screenshot from ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus WIFI with AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650G with Radeon Graphics using onboard DP output on a Samsung S27A750D Stereo Monitor w/ DP-DP cable.

[Spektre99]

This is not the behavior I see with my system.  With a fresh install of Windows 10 Pro, if my system is plugged into Display Port, no 3D toggle shows.  I've used 2 separate DP-> HDMI active adapters.

If I turn the unit off and plug into the HDMI port and turn on, the 3D toggle does exist.  However trying to play any 3D content just makes the player application hang.

If I remove the HDMI  cable and insert the same cable through a DP adapter into the DP port, no 3D toggle exists.

Worse, if I boot through the DP port and then after booting is complete, move the cable back over to the HDMI port, the 3D toggle exists, but using it causes the screen to go black for a while, and when it comes back the AMD Radeon driver has crashed with an Error 43.  No amount of rebooting will clear the error.  Even uninstalling the device (with deleting the driver) will not clear the error as Windows will reinstall the device driver which immediately errors.  The error can only be clear by a fresh Windows install.

I have seen this exact same behavior now on 2 separate systems. 

System 1:  

1. Motherboard make and model - Gigabyte B450 DS3H
2. 3D monitor/TV used (make and model) - Samsung UN85JU7100
3. Cable and adapters used - HDMI cable, no adapter
4. Application used (version and build) - PowerDVD 15
5. OS (version and build) - Windows 10 Pro, 21H2
6. AMD driver - Adrenalin 22.5.1 Recommended (WHQL)

System 2:

1. Motherboard make and model - ASRock B550M-ITX/ac
2. 3D monitor/TV used (make and model) - Samsung UN85JU7100
3. Cable and adapters used - HDMI cable, HDMI cable through DP adapter (Chenlenic Display 1.4 to HDMI 2.1, Plugable Active DisplayPort to HDMI Adapter)
4. Application used (version and build) - PowerDVD 18
5. OS (version and build) - Windows 10 Pro, 22H2
6. AMD driver - Adrenalin 22.11.2 Recommended (WHQL)

To clarify:

1.  You do not see this toggle when connected to the HDMI port? 

1a.  If you do, what happens when you toggle it ON?

2.  In addition to the toggle being there, you can actually produce 3D stereo output thru the DP port?

3.  You have on an earlier occasion used this with a DP-> HDMI converter?

[fsadough]

This is not the behavior I see with my system. With a fresh install of Windows 10 Pro, if my system is plugged into Display Port, no 3D toggle shows. I've used 2 separate DP-> HDMI active adapters.

[fsadough]: If you don't see 3D toggle then it means that 3D signal cannot be transmitted. So, the root cause could be a bad DP-HDMI adapter, incompatible CPU or the HDMI input on your TV is not set to "3D Mode=ON"

If I turn the unit off and plug into the HDMI port and turn on, the 3D toggle does exist. However trying to play any 3D content just makes the player application hang.

[fsadough]: Make sure the HDMI input on your TV is set to "3D Mode=ON"

If I remove the HDMI cable and insert the same cable through a DP adapter into the DP port, no 3D toggle exists.

[fsadough]: If you don't see 3D toggle then it means that 3D signal cannot be transmitted. So, the root cause could be a bad DP-HDMI adapter, incompatible CPU or the HDMI input on your TV is not set to "3D Mode=ON"

Worse, if I boot through the DP port and then after booting is complete, move the cable back over to the HDMI port, the 3D toggle exists, but using it causes the screen to go black for a while, and when it comes back the AMD Radeon driver has crashed with an Error 43. No amount of rebooting will clear the error. Even uninstalling the device (with deleting the driver) will not clear the error as Windows will reinstall the device driver which immediately errors. The error can only be clear by a fresh Windows install.

[fsadough]: You cannot do that. You are disrupting the EDID communication between TV and onboard GPU.

I have seen this exact same behavior now on 2 separate systems.

System 1:
Motherboard make and model - Gigabyte B450 DS3H
3D monitor/TV used (make and model) - Samsung UN85JU7100
Cable and adapters used - HDMI cable, no adapter
Application used (version and build) - PowerDVD 15
OS (version and build) - Windows 10 Pro, 21H2
AMD driver - Adrenalin 22.5.1 Recommended (WHQL)

[fsadough]: Gigabyte B450 DS3H has HDMI 2.0 support depending on CPU type. I believe I answered your question already. "We never advertised 3D Stereo support on Ryzen 5000 Series APUs"

System 2:
Motherboard make and model - ASRock B550M-ITX/ac
3D monitor/TV used (make and model) - Samsung UN85JU7100
Cable and adapters used - HDMI cable, HDMI cable through DP adapter (Chenlenic Display 1.4 to HDMI 2.1, Plugable Active DisplayPort to HDMI Adapter)
Application used (version and build) - PowerDVD 18
OS (version and build) - Windows 10 Pro, 22H2
AMD driver - Adrenalin 22.11.2 Recommended (WHQL)

[fsadough]: If you don't see 3D toggle then it means that 3D signal cannot be transmitted. So, the root cause could be a bad DP-HDMI adapter or the HDMI input on your TV is not set to "3D Mode=ON"

To clarify:

1. You do not see this toggle when connected to the HDMI port?
[fsadough]: I don't even get a signal when a 3D monitor is detected because we never advertised 3D Stereo support on Ryzen 5000 Series APUs"

1a. If you do, what happens when you toggle it ON?

2. In addition to the toggle being there, you can actually produce 3D stereo output thru the DP port?

3. You have on an earlier occasion used this with a DP-> HDMI converter?

[fsadough]: I suggest you purchase a low-end PCIE GPU and run your 3D content off the GPU.

[Spektre99 · Accepted solution]

So, unfortunately, the answer to " If you don't see 3D toggle then it means that 3D signal cannot be transmitted. So, the root cause could be a bad DP-HDMI adapter, incompatible CPU or the HDMI input on your TV is not set to "3D Mode=ON"

Is that the 5600G is an incompatible CPU.

The TV automatically switches to 3D Mode when a 3D compatible signal is provided.  The likely outcome is that if you are able to get any 3D content from a 5600G it is a fluke.

"1. You do not see this toggle when connected to the HDMI port?
[fsadough]: I don't even get a signal when a 3D monitor is detected because we never advertised 3D Stereo support on Ryzen 5000 Series APUs"

Any 3D capable display I am aware of will render a 2D signal just fine.  This answer doesn't make any sense.

For now, I'll have to stick with my low end Team Green 1050ti CPU.