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Adept II
Adept II

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.


@colesdav wrote:

I think it was a paper launch to satisfy sharehoilder promises. 


Yes, also my idea. I think AMD can deliver when NVidia is having it's TI's ready. To late. And with current NVidia prices and more important, they deliver (even when slowly), but they have actual products in store.

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Esteemed Contributor III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

It is nice they are letting you get in line. Like I said I don't know of anywhere here in the USA that is even doing that.

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Esteemed Contributor III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.


@colesdav wrote:

You would be much better to wait for AIB GPU launch from Sapphire anyhow. 
Look at the Gamers Nexus Teardown video of the AMD reference GPU.

Gamers Nexus RX 6800 XT Teardown Video: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s7bOaa6X9E

Plenty of room for improvement. 


One thing to watch for those is I noticed a lot of variance in the power supply requirements from 650, to 700 to 750 for the Saphire nitro regular non XT 6800. So make sure you have the right power supply to match and don't assume all 6800s are 650 and all XTs are 750.

They teardown sure showed some odd choices that would hinder cooling. However I do think it is the best AMD has done to date on a reference card. At least it isn't a blower. 

My biggest gripe with the new series isn't the cooler or even availability. I just still think they just are not competing well enough on features and that the price is just too high because of it. 

I guess the performance numbers are semi in line with what AMD claimed but it is certainly obvious why they didn't tout any ray tracing numbers before yesterday. 

Without DLSS their ray tracing support just isn't that good so far. That doesn't mean it can't get better over time or that they will have a DLSS alternative at some point. To me it doesn't matter if it doesn't exist today it doesn't matter if you are looking to buy now. 

Well on the bright side by the time most that want one of these that can finally get one they may have 6 months to catch up in feature parity! LOL

I do get calling it a paper launch when compared to demand. I hope they release how many they did have and how this compared to prior launches. 

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Miniboss
Miniboss

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

If AMD wanted to take market share from Nvidia they should have had at least 50K units available at launch.

It doesn't matter how good the cards are if your just going to piss your customers off by not letting them buy the cards.

Seriously what a waste of a launch.

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Journeyman III
Journeyman III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

Still no excuse.  If Apple or Samsung came out with another version of their phones I guarantee you that none of their retailers would have an "Out of Stock" posted on their website or in their stores.  I don't understand how anyone can think that AMD had no idea of the amount of people that would be wanting to purchase their cards.  This is a multi-million industry that have been around for 51 years, come on now!  To prove my point, this was taken from a Forbes article titled "Key Takeaways From AMD's Financial Analyst Day" 03/30/20

AMD's gaming business also has a tremendous opportunity in front of it with 2.5 billion gamers gaming across the world on mobile phones, consoles and PCs. AMD's Radeon Graphics IP to addresses of all these markets and with a new gaming architecture on the horizon AMD could be a compelling choice for gamers. Also, AMD has won the confidence of Microsoft and Sony while partnering to build their next generation gaming consoles. The PC gamer can look forward to AMD's plans to deliver a full stack of high-performance GPUs built on RDNA 2 architecture. AMD RDNA 2-based "Navi 2X" GPUs are targeted to game at 4K resolutions and will support hardware-accelerated ray tracing, variable-rate shading (VRS) and other features. I believe AMD's client and graphics products support the statement often muttered by Lisa Su, "AMD loves gamers.”  

The more relevant gaming question is if AMD can deliver the goods competitively at the premium side or market decidedly differently. I believe AMD’s Frank Azor is one of its secret weapons and a game changer, and I hope the company fully supports his initiatives.  

They was aware and had more than enough time to get this right.

 

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Esteemed Contributor III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

Again I get the sentiment but earlier this year the imacs sold out I needed one to replace one that died at work. Took 6 weeks for it to come back in stock. So yes even Apple at times can't meet demand. Also Apple has had phone shortages on launch too. In fact version 12 this year. Google it for yourself. You must not watch the news as it has been reported by the media.  Have not seen a thing about the video card issues even making the media. Other than tech sites on-line.

 

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Esteemed Contributor III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

Just checked the N site:

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Esteemed Contributor III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

I need to share the Jay Two Cents video addressing the 6800 launch or lack there off. He really nails how it went down and why once again AMD's mouth and promises again gets them in trouble. 

Worth a watch IMHO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysjZWYXRA_E

Gamer Meld has a good video on this too  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1QLkiQWVo

 

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Journeyman III
Journeyman III

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

Steve knows his crap, but he has a very subtle hint of anti-AMD bias in his reviews.  At the end of the day, I'd trust the engineers at AMD a little more.  As much as Nvidia is often touted as the flagship cards, I recently had to RMA a 2 year old 2070 which started crashing in every 3d game within 30 seconds of game play. Yeah, crap happens, but this is the first time I've ever had to send a card back. Never had a problem with my AMD cards.

And it's not like I was the only one. I checked out forums online and a fair mount of 2000 series cards were dying. So, I'm not so quick to jump on the Nvidia superiority bandwagon. My previous RX 580 is still kicking in my nephew's PC and he games 24/7.

With that said, I'm excited for the AIB cards, not for improved cooling performance, but the overclocking headroom they'll be taking advantage of.

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Exemplar
Exemplar

Re: The Performance Hoax of suppost to exist AMD RX 6800 and Ryzen 5000 products.

I think NVidia pushed all store sales to Best Buy after the scalper debacle that they were unable to fix.  I don't think they have resumed sales at their own store, so it will likely continue to say "notify me". 

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