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My Ryzen 1800X Upgrade Diary

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So, decided to clean up the thread and remake it, and basically detail my journey. I had been using the following system for a while:

ASUS Sabertooth 990FX Gen3/R2

AMD FX-8350 @ 4.6ghz w/ Corsair H105

24GB G.Skill DDR3 2133

Sapphire Fury Nano

1TB Samsung 850 Evo (Boot & Media)

512GB Samsung 850 Evo (Games)

240GB OCZ Vertex 3 (Online backups)

I had decided to upgrade to Ryzen given the much improved IPC capability, and had actually ordered everything a couple of months ago, but when Microsoft said

soup nazi - Ryzen? you think you can use ryzen? no updates for you!

I returned them and basically had resigned myself to using what I had until it blew up. Couple months later and Unofficial Patch Unblocks Windows 7 and 8.1 Updates for Kaby Lake, Ryzen​ came out which removed the update blocks, which were literally just "is_processor_supported" tags in the Windows Update file, which made Ryzen viable again. I had decided to wait for the 4 core 8 thread processors next month, but I figured when it comes time for resale the 1800X would hold its value better, I decided to take the leap again, and went with

ASUS Prime X370-Pro

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 3200

Samsung 960 Evo 250GB NVMe SSD

I decided to also go ahead and upgrade to a Samsung 960 Evo 250GB NVMe boot drive since I had to reinstall Windows anyway, so it'd be the best time to do it. I wanted to get the 1TB version, but it's $430, and I couldn't justify that considering what I was already spending. I also decided to go with Saturday delivery so I could hopefully get the system built and bughunted before the workweek. Well, Saturday came, FedEx came, got my tower tore apart, went to put in the CPU, and the box was EMPTY! The bottom seal was also cut, so I assume either someone in the warehouse didn't properly check a return or someone in the warehouse stole it. Nice little conversation with Amazon later, and a couple of days since they couldn't get a replacement to me until Monday, and I'm finally setup to go.

Or I thought I was. Windows 7 Setup would not capture my mouse or keyboard no matter which port I had it connected to or even if I used the PS/2 connector. Multiple keyboards and mice tried later, as well as some expletives, I decided to go ahead and try Windows 8.1, I had a copy I got for cheap. I had considered trying it first since it has 3 more years of support over 7 plus native NVMe support, but as there were no Windows 8.1 drivers mentioned I was afraid it didn't work, but it did just fine, and everything installed with drivers. I went ahead and started installing my programs and moving my media to my external drive so I could format my 850 Evo 1TB and use just as a media drive, but when I went to format it, it wouldn't format, not in Samsung Magician (secure erase), not in Windows, and not even in the bootable USB that Samsung Magician creates. Turns out that Windows 8.1 had just attached itself to the existing bootmgr despite being installed on a completely new drive, it still relied on Windows 7, and it also broke Windows Update.

3 drive images and Windows 8.1 setup again, I deleted all partitions on all disks and started from scratch, and this solved all my problems. Installed a gig or so of updates using WSUS Offline Update, and still had about a gig more to download from Windows Update, the patch worked like a charm. Thanks to most programs using %AppData% for data storage a simple copy and paste from old to new meant I had little to actually configure, didn't lose emails or anything. Game re-installation was what I was most worried about, but the bulk of them I repurchased on GoG, and since their installs were still in place on my games drive (restored from image), all I needed to do was scan and verify to get them up and going, took all of 300mb, though it would be much easier if GoG Galaxy had a "Verify/Repair All" button. Some games aren't actually installs, such as Doomsday, and some of them I haven't bothered to reinstall yet.

It's 5 days later and I'm remembering how nice it is to have a computer that just works. My RAM doesn't run at full speed yet, still waiting on ASUS to release an AEGSA 1.0.0.6 update. Overclocking to 4ghz was easy, though it won't stabilize any higher, which is in line with the reviews that Ryzen tops out at 4-4.1ghz, but with the much improved IPC capability it's still a great gain.

I left out a few things, but basically that's how it went. I'm still dealing with a few idiosyncrasies and bugs in Windows 8.1, namely the "This PC" tile on the start screen changing to "computer" and a different icon, and it scares the heck out of me that AMD seems to be dropping Windows 8.1 support just as RX Vega is about to be released, not that the Fury Nano is a slacker in the graphics department I would just hate to see me have to nurse this thing for 6 more years or longer.

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qwixt
Forerunner

Re: SO, I'm taking the Ryzen plunge -again-

Before moving to new machine, I always make sure to uninstall all games where I think that there is a chance the game has some sort of per computer DRM or limited number of installs.

Good luck. I always hate the tense moment figuring out if I did something wrong or if I have faulty hardware, but you might always get it right the first time

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kingfish
MVP

Re: SO, I'm taking the Ryzen plunge -again-

Re: My Ryzen 1800X Upgrade Diary

So I got curious, what was the difference between a 4ghz and 3.6ghz 1800X in Heaven (3DMark is too much of a synthetic, at least Heaven is more game like)? Answer is...nothing. Who would have thought I'd be GPU limited with a Fury Nano at 1920x1200? Says something about the power of Ryzen.

Re: SO, I'm taking the Ryzen plunge -again-

Hmm, well this is odd... I ran the Heaven benchmark again using the same settings as before since my RAM is now able to run at 2800mhz vs 2133mhz, and I wanted to see if I would improve in performance since Ryzen performs better with faster RAM.

atlasminor
Challenger

Re: My Ryzen 1800X Upgrade Diary

This could be showing that it is working correctly at 2800mhz , its a very old benchmark, Unigine is planning on a new benchmark for DX12 that will run on all systems and still allow the other d3d's

Anywho , what im trying to say is, Looks like you bottlenecked the benchmark, not to point fingures at AMD, but this company is notorious for jump,skip, Quirks like this.

Throw in the next size memory and i bet you score 1400-1600.... possible compatibility issue and suprised Ryzen did so well on a benchmark that literally stopped when ATI did.just My2cents

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rebelyell
Exemplar

Re: My Ryzen 1800X Upgrade Diary

ive used this quite alot. the only bug about heaven is the min fps will always be different depending when and where you start bench. i just ran same setup as you, with same card. but 4.0ghz @3200mhz .just 1 card.  oddly with 8350fx with 2 furys runs more than double the score with a 4.7 ghz and 2400 ram at 5760x1080 eyefinity i scored 3700-3900 on average i cant reproduce the fx cpu eyefinity but it ran good. so here is ryzen 1 monitor. for some reason i cant get it to run 5760x1080 anymore . hmmm? this with old 1004a bios . i havent put 1006a in yet.  17.5.2 driver.

                                 

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rebelyell
Exemplar

Re: My Ryzen 1800X Upgrade Diary

well, you have to think i didnt cut any corners crosshair hero g.skill flares 3200 that run 3467 also factory same stick but this is 3200mhz. with 14 timings and win 7 is known to run awsome with ryzen

from what i have read and seen. it seems ryzen really starts to excel at 3200 + rapidly. so im hoping to get 3600. and maybe buy some 4000mhz eventually. crazy isnt it.

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atlasminor
Challenger

Re: My Ryzen 1800X Upgrade Diary

Just about dead on , but way more than i would have expected. 1800 score is a ( wow factor ) for me, and would be very happy with that score as a default run.

But think BlackZion was running Win NT and have done a full blown custom install apart what would be expected from Win7. Different setups and not sure if anyone is using a real DIY testbench, or if you guys went budget or spent money like a person wouldnt want

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rebelyell
Exemplar

Re: My Ryzen 1800X Upgrade Diary

yea if you research you will find win7 vs win10 in gaming win7 does usually out perform. with varying differences ofcourse , at some large and some small gains. all windows are nt based but i am not sure exactly what black-zions operating system truly is.

i should drop my other nitro fury card in and do another test.