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blackmaninc
Adept II

For those who use Cross fire

What has your experience been with it? Has it been a hassle free experience at all? How big of a difference does it make on performance while gaming? Have games been optimized well for it? I'm thinking of buying two GPU's when I buy my brand new PC and one very high end CPU.

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hardcoregames_
Big Boss

Re: For those who use Cross fire

I have not used dual cards much as single cards are powerful enough now to do it alone now

dual cards are kinda passe

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colesdav
MVP

Re: For those who use Cross fire

Hi

When you say Crossfire do you mean ...

DX11 Crossfire.

or

DX12 MultiGPU.

I use both initially with older HD7970/R9280x combination since 2014.
In 2017-2018 I was running R9 Nanos / R9 FuryX/R9Nano, and R9 Fury X in Crossfire.

RE: What has your experience been with it?


Good on titles that supported it.
Terrible on some titles -by terrible I mean very bad visual flickering in some titles.

RE: Has it been a hassle free experience at all?

No it is definitely not a "hassle free experience".

You really have to understand when it should be used and you need to know there is additional CPU Overhead.involved in running it. 
You need to make sure there is enough  PCIe Bandwidth on the motherboard slots you use.
Some older game titles can run ok in Crossfire with low PCIe bandwidth and or mismatched PCIe slot bandwidths.
Others have problems with that.
I see cases where a game will launch fine flicker free in fullscreen mode but if I alt tab over to an application then back to the game the screen flicker will be awful.
Sometimes if you cam manage to Alt Enter between Windowed and full screen mode you can get rid of the flicker. Other times you have to restart the game.
Some post processing effects and Nvidia  Gameworks option cause problems when turned on in some games running Crossfire/MultiGPU.

BF1 is a good example of that.

Also if CPU utilization is at ~ 80-90% when running DX11 Crossfire then flickering happens on some titles like Crysis 3.

RE: How big of a difference does it make on performance while gaming?


If it works well, the FPS scaling I see with my GPU/system ranges from 1.6-1.85 on games I tested recently - this will generally be on demanding games at high resolution and game settings (2K/4K Ultra BF1 for example).

RE: Have games been optimised well for it?

Some specific games, especially some AAA titles that were launched around the time and after AMD released the RX480 on 29 June 2016 run really well for me.
I believe that AMD did put lots of work into DX11 Crossfire and DX12 MultiGPU performance at that time because it was the only way to compete with a single GTX1080.


In other cases DX11 Crossfire or DX12 MultiGPU support may be initially promised by game developer but may not work properly at all for various reasons.
Very few users run DX11 Crossfire or DX12 MultiGPU and very few DX12 titles so I think it is low priority for the game developer. and when RX Vega 64 was launched, DX11 Crossfire was 'de-emphasized'.

RE: I'm thinking of buying two GPU's when I buy my brand new PC and one very high end CPU.

If I were you I would spend your money purchasing a single high end GPU.
I think you should only use more than one AMD GPU if you need them for OpenCL Compute or Blender Rendering.
Remember more than one GPU will push up your PSU  needs.
I run single RX Vega 64 Liquid and it reports ~ 380 Watts GPU power used running BF1 at 4K Ultra.

Also if you are looking to pick up 2 RX Vega 64 AIB GPU's look at the physical size of the cards that are worth buying. - Sapphire Vega 64  Nitro+ or PowerColor Vega 64 Red Devil.
They are 2.5->3 slot wide and the Sapphire weighs1.6 Kg requiring a GPU support bracket.
You may have severe  problem fitting them in a case and getting enough airflow to the GPU coolers.

Options are a pair of Vega 64 Liquids or a pair of reference cards on waterblocks.

Other reason to try DX11 Crossfire or DX12 MultiGPU is if you get the chance to purchase a compatible GPU at a very low cost and you are interested to try it out.

If you search the forum you will see examples of me testing DX11 Crossfire or DX12 MultiGPU.

It  is not all bad news, but there are serious downsides.

Here is one good example of what is possible: BF1 run at 4K Ultra settings with R9 FuryX and R9 Nano in DX12 MultiGPU. - YouTube
That runs ~ as well / better than a single RX Vega 64 Liquid on my PC.
A pair of R9 Fury X's run even better.

Bye.

blackmaninc
Adept II

Re: For those who use Cross fire

Ok, thanks for the info. I think I'll just buy a single high end GPU and be done with it. I was only contemplating getting two GPU's for gaming, and it doesn't sound like its worth the hassle that comes with it. I would buy the new Radeon 7, but I'll try and hold off a little longer for more news on the next Navi GPU later this year.

colesdav
MVP

Re: For those who use Cross fire

Hi,

I was surprised to see the Radeon VII launched. I just hunted down an RX Vega 64 Liquid and purchased it new with a 2 year Warranty end November 2018.
I bought the GPU for Gaming and Compute.

So far I have looked at using it for Gaming on Adrenalin 2019 18.12.1 and tested some features on Adrenalin 18.12.2.
I am not happy with the AMD driver stability at all.
I also purchased a Palit RTX 2080 OC.
3DMark testting & comparison:
The Nvidia GPU is much more stable and beats the Overclocked/Undervolted/Turbo Power Profile RX Vega 64 Liquid by about 30% in DX12@4K.
Surprisingly the RX Vega 64 Liquid it is only 6% slower in DX11 at 1080p and almost on par at 4K on my system.
The Nvidia GPU performs better in the DX11 games I have tested though.
You can still get RX Vega 64 Liquid in the US from Newegg and they also offer the Raise the Game Reloaded deal ... but make sure you get the code from them...

I think the Radeon VII is more of a compute than a gaming GPU. I am very interested in it from that point of view. It has 2x Vega 64  FP64 performance.
I wish I had known about it before the RX Vega Liquid purchase because I woiuld have held off and bought the Radeon VIII instead for compute ... provided reviews are good.

I am not confident that Navi will turn up before the end of 2019 now. So for mid range performance gaming GPU I think you are still looking at RX Vega 56 or 64  AIB card and for the lower end you now have RX590.

Bye.

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plum12
Adept I

Re: For those who use Cross fire

Nice. A very specific response. It's clear enough to understand it thanks.