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delevero
Adept III

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

I dont think that a Cpu Vcore of 1,4v is insane for testing if it will make your pc stable and then you can reduce your power from there. Its a setting people can try and its withing safe margins.
Example if you set cpu-vcore in bios to auto then the automatic contant changes voltage froom x and all the way up to 1,55v
So 1,4 volts is within safe limits. 😉

Advertised "maximum safe" values on the internet are 1.375V for Ryzen 1000 and 2000, while Ryzen 3000 tends to be 1.325V under
I dont know the value for the ryzen 5000 series but i asume its higher. ( the info i found say max 1,55v )

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artur_aragao
Elite

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

I'm hitting the mat VERY disappointed. Really much.
1- I validated that only with Microsoft drivers does VGA work normally. Put the most current drivers 21.2.2 and the same zika occurs;
2- The source has arrived. Guess what? Even with it, the same thing happens. So, I bought a new font without needing it. I now have two. 😃;
3- I removed 2 clips from the 4 of the mainboard. Nothing! The same thing;
4- I removed the RX 5700 XT and put the RX550 and everything returned to normal.
After these bad experiences, I don't want to know more about AMD for VGA. I think you already know? I'm a fan, but things have limits. I don't like nVidia and I will be obliged to buy a VGA in the future when I can, as the current prices are not possible to have one.
I appreciate all the patience and attention.
I will finish filling out the form and forward it tomorrow. I want my money back and hope what I can get from nVidia.

AMD for GPU never again.

[ AMD Ryzen 7 3700X | Corsair Hydro H115i | MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI (MS-7C91) - 7C91v15 | 32GB DDR4 3600MHz ADATA | ASUS ROG-STRIX-RTX3070-8G-GAMING | XPG CORE REACTOR 850W | SSD 970 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB ]
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cristi_trohin
Adept II

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

@artur_aragao There are a couple of things you can try...

If you want to stick to Adrenalin, try setting the boost clock (P3 in Tunings) to the RX 5700 XT spec clock, 1905MHz. By default, Adrenalin may set it higher.

Another thing to try, if you're willing to ditch Adrenalin, is to DDU the current driver, and restart Windows. Then wait for Windows to detect the hardware and install a driver from the Microsoft repository. It'll be an older one for sure, but it could be a stable one.

This is what I did yesterday when my son suddenly started having crashes on his RX 580 with the latest drivers. The driver that Windows installed had no issues, he played all evening without a crash.

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artur_aragao
Elite

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

Friend,
I am grateful, but it was not for all these gambiarras that we were testing here that I bought this VGA. I gave up, I'm already forwarding it back and I just bought the 3070 from ASUS.
That's enough for me from AMD for graphics for quite a while.
I say this with a torn heart.
AMD needs to respect its customers more and what it has done is a total lie and lack of commitment. They need new engineers in the field or better hardware design. Something has not been said.

Good luck to all friends.

[ AMD Ryzen 7 3700X | Corsair Hydro H115i | MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI (MS-7C91) - 7C91v15 | 32GB DDR4 3600MHz ADATA | ASUS ROG-STRIX-RTX3070-8G-GAMING | XPG CORE REACTOR 850W | SSD 970 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB ]
cristi_trohin
Adept II

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

@artur_aragao Good for you mate! I would return my card as well if I could.

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mackbolan777
Forerunner

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

@delevero Your problem is promoting unsafe testing methods based solely on internet frankly, BS, and not facts. Most of these tests are done using LN2 or on "disposable" hardware. 1.4v, as you had mentioned it's use in several post that I flagged, is misleadingly dangerous for a "regular" user to do. They risk serious degradation of the silicon, VOID their WARRANTY, can burn out other hardware as well and your original post/repost was to just set it and forget it, not "test" anything or to navigate to a much lower, safer voltage. 1.375v constant Vcore is NOT a safe 24/7 idea, it will degrade the silicon, any all core OC will. Ryzen CPU's are not designed to do all core OC, that's why id you really did testing you would see IPC's dropping over time, the heck with benchmark scores, IPC's. "Internet advertised" safe limits by whom? Buildzoid? Even he will tell you he ran his 3600X at 1.375v for 4 months until it BSOD'ed nad wouldn't even post at stock clocks.

Just because you see in HWiNFO that your cores hit 1.4-1.48v or maybe a little more, it's per core up to 3, not all 6-16 cores art one time and it's for a second. More voltage has proven to be a mistake with Ryzen CPU's, especially the 3000 series. The lower the better. In fact, if you WERE to do an all core OC the way to find your max "safe" OC Vcore is to run Prime95, with all back round stuff off. The highest number on the left is the max voltage and it's usually ~1.28v, some rare chips might show a steady 1.325v not 1.375v. Then watch temps if after running that for ~30 minutes and you aren't going over ~80c, you might be "ok" to use that clock/Vcore. Even so, not allowing the CPU to cycle as intended will eventually degrade the CPU. How long? It depends on the chip. Minutes, hours, days, months, but less than a year. 

Never compare a Ryzen to Ryzen 2, they are completely different technology. Both handle memory differently, have different Vcore, handle all core OC differently and more. No the 5000 series does not want more voltage, in fact the whole performance ramp is designed to undervolt for higher gains.

So do us all a favor and until you have over 20 years in the business of building, testing various components, please stop posting irresponsible web based garbage. When or if you do gain that many years you won't think of posting such non-sense.

Go ahead and put 1.55v to the Vcore and see how long your CPU lasts, how long before the IPC's drop into a non-recoverable loss or you melt the socket. You go past the limit on an AMD CPU and there is ZERO forgiveness. Once it's toast, it's toast. I do not think anyone on here cares to replace their CPU because the warranty is voided by your instructions on how to abuse the chip.

Anyone got ~$300-800 USD, depending on CPU to waste testing this OP's theory's?

Raising Vcore has never stabilized any build I had an issue with, especially when not running an all core OC. Even with PBO enabled and +200, technically warranty voiding, raising Vcore doesn't come into play manually. AMD's built in chip microcode handles that variation perfectly. The CPU is capable or it's not, that simple. It's also not guaranteed to be able to use those settings, that's why it's on "auto" by default.  

"It worked before you broke it!"
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cristi_trohin
Adept II

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

@mackbolan777 I agree that when testing system stability, whether it's related to the CPU or the GPU, one should not increase the vcore. That's the thing you actually need to rollback if  you find instabilities. Upping the vcore is a last resort measure if you want to achieve a high overclock, but it should be done with the acknowledgement that it can actually break the hardware. Too much vcore is not an answer to system stability issues, especially at stock clocks. If the system is not stable at default vcore values, it could be due to faulty hardware, which should be RMA'd.

Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

Hallo 

ich hatte das Problem auch und habe es so gelöst.

Im BIOS den PCI Express von Auto auf Gen 3 stellen, in der Radeon Software Anti Lag und Free Sync deaktivieren bei allen Games!

Seitdem nur sehr selten gamebezogener Absturz ohne Black Screen...

 

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cristi_trohin
Adept II

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

@Anonymous what version of drivers are you using? The black screen issues were resolved by AMD last august, if I remember well. Try using the latest recommended driver. Optional drivers do have a tendency to mess things up.

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mackbolan777
Forerunner

Re: Far too many crashes in almost every game I play.

My German is a bit rusty but full PC specs help. Also check your PSU, if you have 2 PCIe power connectors on your GPU, use 2 cables not the split type.

"It worked before you broke it!"
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