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Socket AM4 Platform Longevity: Getting Ryzen 3000 Ready

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With the launch of the AM4 platform in 2016, we at AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020. During that time, we have continued to evolve the platform to offer new features, more performance, and greater functionality. With a single socket ranging from entry level to enthusiast class motherboards, consumers have the flexibility to start with the hardware that meets their needs today, and upgrade to their growing performance demands tomorrow.  

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So, how do you know whether youll be able to upgrade your existing processor with a new motherboard or a new processor with existing motherboard? With the new AMD X570 chipset and AMD Ryzen 3000 series processors, we’re launching Ryzen 3000 Ready. If a new X570, X470 or B450 motherboard is calling your name, just look for the "AMD Ryzen Desktop 3000 Ready" badge (shown above) on the box to ensure processor drop-in compatibility 

For those looking to update their existing PCs with a new processor, motherboard manufacturers have BIOS updates rolling out now. Check out your motherboard vendors website for a list of supported processors so that you can easily identify which motherboard will support your Ryzen processor of choice. 

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AMD’s Socket AM4 has historic forwards and backwards compatibility. Where else can you upgrade your processor and be able to use your current motherboard? Even better, many current customers will see a BIOS update to support the Ryzen 3000 series processors. That’s the beauty of the stable, flexible AM4 ecosystem.  

Erin Maiorino, Ryzen Desktop Product Marketing Manager at AMD. Her postings are her own opinions and may not represent AMD’s positions, strategies, or opinions. Links to third party sites and references to third party trademarks are provided for convenience and illustrative purposes only. Unless explicitly stated, AMD is not responsible for the contents of such links, and no third party endorsement of AMD or any of its products is implied. 

©2019 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. All rights reserved. AMD, the AMD Arrow logo, Ryzen and combinations thereof are trademarks of Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.  

37 Comments
Miniboss
Miniboss

The AMD COMPUTEX 2019 keynote was amazing, thank you!

Adept I
Adept I

the selective bios update better support all up coming Ryzen 3000 cpu's including the 16core part

Also my Asus Prime b350 plus better support the 12core part since it's 105watt's and the board supports the 1800x which is a 105watt part.

It's stupid if it doesn't because the watt's match also the board can prevent the cpu turboing if it thinks it's going to pull to much.

Journeyman III
Journeyman III

While it may not be much of a real-world issue for anyone, I'm sure some people are wondering why there are any blank spaces on that diagram. If the socket is the same, and the pinouts are the same, why don't all the chips work on all the motherboards, absolutely without exception?

I'm sure there are valid technical reasons. PCIe 4.0, for example, no doubt has demanding requirements for signals that exceed those of its predecessors, or how else could it have higher bandwidth? But when it isn't mentioned what they are, well, some consumers are cynical these days, and may tend to jump to unfair conclusions.

Adept II
Adept II

A320 boards were made for OEM type box PCs. They have a smaller UEFI (BIOS) chip that does't have enough space for the new combo-code.

I think X570 not supporting gen one is product differentiation and isn't that unreasonable but would be my only gripe. 

You wouldn't gain much moving to X570 from a 370 or 470, so you'd be better to buy the new CPU first and use it in your old board and then upgrade the board than doing it the other way around.

Big Boss
Big Boss

My R5 2400G is on the support list for everyone's flagship X570

so i can get a better motherboard and use my existing CPU until i find i need a new one

Adept I
Adept I
quick question for owners of the
Acer Predator Helios 500 AMD Rz7-2700
(which is swappable to the 2700x without issue)
So based on that, now that the 3700x has come out
and both the 2700x and 3700x work off the same socket
does this mean i can simply swap out my 2700x for the new 3800x To benefit from its speed and higher core/count
thanks in advance for your help
Big Boss
Big Boss

Anyone with a Ruzen 2000 class CPU can upgrade to the B550 and X570 motherboards

Adept II
Adept II

cjuliao‌ In theory, yes, you can do that. However, your motherboard vendor (Acer in this case) needs to provide an updated UEFI (BIOS) to enable it.

So check the Acer support page over the next few weeks to see if an update appears.

If not, contact them to express interest as it seems many vendors are prioritising updates based on demand.

As an example, I have a Taichi ultimate board from ASRock, they have released several BIOS updates for the Taichi supporting the new processors but have not released a non-buggy/beta one for the Ultimate even though the only difference is the U has a 10GbE port added to it.

So I'm stuck 2 revisions behind with a very buggy BIOS; PBO does not work and most of the settings have just vanished.

Adept II
Adept II

Why get a new motherboard now if you can't use the features? PCIe4 is the main one but if your CPU does not support it, it's pointless.

Would you not be better waiting until prices of e.g. x570 drop? Or putting the new chip into the existing board? (assuming it's not a 320).

e.g. if an X570 board does turn out to be ~$400 or more for one that is better than your current board, you could nearly afford a 3900X to go into the current one and actually gain something now and then when you *need* the benefit of gen4 you can get a motherboard at probably a better price and actually make use of it? 

If you have a 320 board, you would be much better off with a 2000 series now (low price when the new ones come out, if not already) and then upgrade both later.

IMO of course.

Big Boss
Big Boss

Only reason I am looking for a new motherboard is the small one I have now does not have enough slots for my needs.

I also need more SATA ports now that my 4TB disk of games is full.

So there are some B450 boards that would do, same for some of the the X470 boards. B450 is $100 to X470 at $135 roughly so not a lot of difference outside the slot layout and a few other odds and ends.

One X570 has 8 SATA which is overkill but it is double my MSI B350M Balooza boards offerings.

I have one M.2 SSD now and was looking at getting a bigger one.

Adept II
Adept II

If you only have m-ATX and have cards to add that makes sense.

Big Boss
Big Boss

I dislike integrated Wi-Fi as the things change so fast that it is easier to swap out a PCIe card and put a new one in than deal with an integrated unit that needs a whole new motherboard

some models of motherboard have as many as 3 available PCIe x1 slots for legacy devices

Adept II
Adept II

I'd probably use USB for WiFi.

Big Boss
Big Boss

PCIe cards offer 2T2R which can deliver much better throughput

Adept II
Adept II

Do the USB ones with 2 antennae not also offer 2x2?

e.g:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07G25L31Q/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B07G25L31Q&pd_rd_w=AdKye&p...

Or something like this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01EOQ61KI?SubscriptionId=AKIAINYWQL7SPW7D7JCA&ascsubtag=2377825|n2b4a85...

Another issue is that those 1x PCIe slots often are shared from the chipset so if you use several, overall b/w may be less - especially if you have an M.2 on the chipset. On the newer AMD platforms you get a number of USBs directly from the CPU.

Big Boss
Big Boss

Generally USB based Wi-Fi are 1T1R which is why I like the PCIe cards in a desktop. 

The USB models shown are 1T1R with large antennas for better signal strength.

PCIe may share bandwidth with secondary M.2 slots depending on motherboard features. AM4 was designed with one M.2 SSD in mind and up to two video cards. So far no AM4 boards support nVidia SLI that I have seen.

This is why I feel slots on X370, X470 and X570 are better as x1 but I am aware of some need for x4 slots for devices. I dislike the reduction in USB 2.0 headers as everything from my AX860i to my front panel box need USB .20 headers. Even my Wi-Fi cards needs USB 2.0 for the Bluetooth.

I have one PCIe x1 card for Wi-Fi which I swap out as the standards evolve. The other PCIe card is IEE1394 to support some old hardware I use.

Adept II
Adept II

I think most of the AM4 support SLI.

Check the specs for these for example:

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X470%20Taichi%20Ultimate/index.asp#BIOS

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#osW1064

All the preview box shots appearing for the X570 boards at the moment have "SLI stickers" on them.  No reason why it wouldn't work as the two CPU slots will auto switch to x8/x8 and AMD don't do any shenanigans to disable NV features AFAIK.

Exemplar
Exemplar

The 1800X is a 95W part, the 2700X was the first 105W part to be introduced for AM4.

Exemplar
Exemplar

There are quite a few AM4 boards that support SLI, especially in the X370 series.

One example.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X370%20Killer%20SLI/index.asp

Big Boss
Big Boss

I would need a new CPU as my R5 2400G only has 8 lanes for the video card

Journeyman III
Journeyman III

Good morning, can I buy a new board b450 and a ryzen 5 3600 and assemble everything without problems and without it being strictly necessary to update the bios? ; is that I am afraid to buy the above and that at the time of turning on the system there is incompatibility.

Big Boss
Big Boss

You may need to update the BIOS on a B450 motherboard for a 3000 series processor but MSI is one that can update the BIOS without a CPU or even RAM on it

Big Boss
Big Boss

There has been a shortage of cheap X570 boards are more and more move up to PCIe 4.0

Exemplar
Exemplar

Not really.  Ryzen 3000 series don't boost significantly higher on X570, and your idle power consumption is much worse, due to the X570 redesigned chipset pulling a fair amount of power.

Big Boss
Big Boss

x570 uses more power mostly due to the faster speeds which is why there is a fan as well on the southbridge

Exemplar
Exemplar

Yes.  But if you aren't going to use pcie 4.0, that speed doesn't really get you anything, except higher power draw.

Big Boss
Big Boss

X570 has a 10W TDP which is more than the old SB950 users to use etc

Journeyman III
Journeyman III

Well this post aged like milk. Thanks for misleading your costumers AMD.

Journeyman III
Journeyman III

IMO it aged worse. Old milk, depending on the process of aging, may still be good for consuption. 400-series and older boards are more or less useless now. Leasons learned. If AMD won't change their decision, I am going to skip 4000-series and only get 2nd hand 3950X for my PC. I am not willing to loose money on swapping motherboards, nor was I willing to listen to X570 PCH fan or modding motherboard to get rid of it. I spent $200 on good X470 motherboard itself thinking that I want to upgrade to Zen 3 when it comes out. Because, let me remind you all... There was no B550 on Ryzen 3000-series launch. So basically X470 was the closest to what you could consider B550 replacement. It was 2nd tier chipset, just like B450 was for X470 and 2nd gen Ryzen and B350 for X370 and 1st Gen.

This thing is so baaad if you think about it. Chipset for Ryzen is just external device, communicating with CPU via PCI Express. It is not even needed for Ryzen system to work (on a side note, where are consumer grade, retail A300 and X300 ITX motherboards, dear AMD? It's 2020 and there is none of them). And that BIOS ROM size thing as an official reason for lack of 4000-series support. Let's just say that there are multiple ways you can solve this problem. One of them is to drop support for older SKUs in newer BIOS versions.

Journeyman III
Journeyman III

Yep my B450 is not even 2 months old and is already outdated apparently, even when the B550 was not and is not even available yet after a substantial time past Zen 2 release. In addition, I bought one of those MSI Max boards with the larger BIOS ROM which were marketed to support future gen processors. Meaning this is probably some last minute compromise decision by AMD which their partners didn't even see coming let alone their customers. AMD has made promises which are now not going to be kept using a bogus reason, compromising their integrity in the process. 

Esteemed Contributor III

I have builds using these:
ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO (WI-FI) | ROG - Republic Of Gamers | ASUS USA 
Maximus 
and these:
B450 TOMAHAWK | Motherboard - The world leader in motherboard design | MSI Global 
Libertas 

If you look at the first build example - I went for Ryzen 2700X + X470 because I thought that would avoid build problems (it didn't) and risk (it didn't) of using the newer Ryzen 3000 series and X570 motherboards.

I didn't really want to purchase the Ryzen 2700X processor but I needed to do the build and I could not wait. The "AM4 socket upgradable marketing message" was in my head when I went  for that build. 

I have not upgraded from 2700X to any Ryzen 3000 CPU because the increase in IPC was not worth it.
I did consider the upgrade though.
I decided to wait for the next CPU upgrade.

Now that option is not open to me..

So I am stuck on 2700X CPU or maybe when that CPU dies, I might pick up a Ryzen 3000 series to replace it.

But if next gen AMD CPU shows a big uplift in IPC and performance and core count versus Ryzen 2700X then a CPU replacement would have been a guaranteed purchase.

I cannot be bothered with upgrading that X470 motherboard though because that means full rebuild of the PC.
And I have enough PC builds for myself at the moment.The existing X470 motherboard I have is working well.

The second build is gaming build and is using lower cost B450 motherboard and Ryzen 5 3600 with a Wraith Prism RGB cooler.


Really happy with that build and CPU but having the option to upgrade the CPU would be good on that as well.

Back to that expensive ASUS X470 Motherboard.

ROG Crosshair Hero VII Motherboard Review I read at the time...
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8612/asus-crosshair-vii-hero-amd-x470-motherboard-review/index4.ht... 
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"We find a 256Mbit BIOS ROM on the motherboard, which is twice the size we find on other X470 motherboards. ASUS says they are using only 16MB of the 32MB ROM, and that the extra space is to ensure future CPU support, in case AMD expands the BIOS size. A BIOS chip is used to facilitate USB BIOS recovery."

Please reconsider supporting at least some of the X470 and B450 motherboards on next AMD Processor.

Thank you.

Big Boss
Big Boss

all i know is i would like it if my x570 could run any cpu on newegg for am4, then i can use the board for benchmarking etc

instead ideas like that are impossible

Esteemed Contributor III

This video discusses this:  OverVolted #7 - AMD's Motherboard Mess - YouTube 
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Esteemed Contributor III

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Esteemed Contributor III

Forbes Article:

More AMD CPU Leaks Revealed: Ryzen 2nd Gen Details Plus AM4 And TR4 Socket Life Confirmed? 

Not sure how they have an "AMD INTERNAL USE ONLY" slide on their website and article. But just pointing it out:

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Esteemed Contributor III

One Way BIOS Flash from Ryzen 2700X to Zen 3 = No way.
Situation unchanged.

Big Boss
Big Boss

right now the AGESA 1.0.0.5 is offered as a beta and I have it installed on my X570 which seems to have a lot of bug fixes on top of the expanded CPU support

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