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Witcher 3 crossfire 60% gpu utilisation (98% with AFR but horrible flicker)

Discussion created by rust on May 23, 2015
Latest reply on Jun 16, 2015 by Cornugon

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Hi, whats up with amd drivers in Witcher 3 on two AMD cards with Crossfire? i have settings on uber mostly just without aliasing. Fullscreen mode of course.

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crossfireX on DEFAULT MODE there are only 60% gpu utilisation with ocasional black terrain/shadows flicker and horrible hair wobbling with nvidia hair ON and like 25 fps (crossfire on?!)

crossfireX in AFR mode there are 98% gpu utilisation but with horrible plain white portals flicker (propably from some smoke over terrain or mist ) some ground textures stretched and 40-60 fps

crossfireX OFF MODE there are NO problems with hair wobbling and NO black terrain/shadows flicker and NO white portals flicker and NO completely no fps... it's like 20...

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athlona May 23, 2015 3:41 PM
Come on AMD where are our The Witcher 3 drivers you promised for whats now last week! Come on The Green Team have just released a new driver on a Saturday! Just made the move from Green to Red only a month ago please don't make me regrit the move please!!! Need Crossfire Drivers now!!!
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- cc0537 @ athlona on Jun 13, 2015 7:50 PM
  Newer Green Team drivers are crashing left and right and I don't mean just SLI.
  
  I don't understand the problem though. Without hairworks the game runs 60fps @1080p on my GTX 760 and my 7970M. There are dips but most of the time it's 60fps. Hairworks adds 0 value to the game. No point in keeping it on.
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Cornugon May 24, 2015 7:09 AM
It's been said before by AMD that the 15.5 bèta's including (Crossfire) optimisations for The Witcher 3 and Project: Cars arrive the coming week. They never claimed we would get them the day when TW3 would be released (even though many of us expected them to).

And yes nVidia released them on day one, but weren't they also the ones who sponsored CDPR and 'allowed' them to use THEIR Gameworks libraries?

EDIT: Apparently my post caused some confusion, so let me correct this:

It has already been mentioned on day one by fellow forummembers that forcing Crossfire in this title causes visual anomalies, and that, while we wait for AMD to release drivers to address this, the best temporary workaround is to not use CrossFire as I assumed you figured out yourself, so I didn't feel the need to mention this. And yes, I did read your post rust...

As a ways to improve single card performance: For now just don't use hairworks, or manually decrease the Tesselation Factor in CCC to x8 or x16 to improve Hairworks' performance. Since World Tesselation isn't enabled in the game (yet?) you won't notice much visible difference between x8 Tesselation or the default full x64 one (Hairworks is tied to the Tesselation quality, and because in the past it was true for the HD 5xxx series, AMD still gets blamed by having poor Tesselators, even though there are more factors at work here against).
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- rust @ Cornugon on May 24, 2015 6:29 AM
  Cornugon Didnt you read my post about portals, gpu utilisation, shadows flicker? if I turn off nvidia hair those things stay so plese dont talk bs. Crossfire doesnt work, read my post
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  - Cornugon @ rust on May 24, 2015 7:11 AM
    I clarified my response a bit further. I sincerely hope you're happier now...
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jawadsmokii May 24, 2015 2:28 AM
i m still not using the crossfire , playing the game with hair is override to 8 x and hbo got 40 avg and 55 most areas , everything at ultra with my 290 , anyhow try this , use predefined profile for the game ryse . give me your feedback .
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- Cornugon @ jawadsmokii on May 24, 2015 2:35 AM
  I turned hairworks off since even with the lower Tess-factor the performance hit was slightly too high for my taste. I use SSAO instead of HBAO+, and lowered the Grass Quality and Foliage Distance by one notch from Ultra, and have a smooth 60fps experience now using a single R9 290X. I'm curious what Crossfire optimisations would do, since according to benchmarks, even nVidia SLI performs only about 50% faster than single card...
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  - rust @ Cornugon on May 24, 2015 6:34 AM
    read the discussion tiltle there's the answer
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    - Cornugon @ rust on May 24, 2015 7:17 AM
      It doesn't answer how Crossfire scaling will be with the upcoming 15.5 drivers, since broken Crossfire performance, even with positive scaling, isn't exactly a good measurement how it will perform when fixed.
      
      rust schreef:
      
      so plese dont talk bs.
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      - rust @ Cornugon on May 24, 2015 7:34 AM
        it is said couple words later. Again you just have to read all sentence not a chunk of it. On AFR and 98% utilisation there is flawless performance on uber settings with nvidia hair never encountered lower than 40fps. Most of the time its far beyond 60fps.
        
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        Cornugon @ rust on May 24, 2015 7:54 AM
        Well that makes two of us then:
        broken Crossfire performance, even with positive scaling, isn't exactly a good measurement how it will perform when fixed.
        In other words: Even though your performance might be twice as high with both GPUs fully utilised, it's not representative for how the eventual performance will be when these graphical issues are fixed. I hope it will be, being a Crossfire-user myself, but the fact that a 2-way SLI GTX 980 only performs about 50% faster in the benchmarks I've seen than the single card solution might suggest otherwise.
        
        Still I hope these newer beta's will arrive tomorrow (or is it a national holiday in the States as well?), so we can all find out. Fingers crossed they won't introduce a global lightsource bug where you can see the sun from inside a dungeon (Witcher 2)...
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        rust @ Cornugon on May 24, 2015 7:58 AM
        Mine crossed too
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jawadsmokii May 24, 2015 2:43 AM
the only game that had issue with my 290 crossfired is dying light i bought the game and didn't play it , it was unplayable with or without profile and utlization was 40 % max . and my max fps 25 ......
My spec is 8350 @ 4.2
Ausus formula-Z motherboard
16GB 1833
290 msi Gaming 4 gb Crossfired .
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deesee76 May 27, 2015 5:16 AM
If it makes anyone happier, i have 295x2 in quadfire. In 4k, ultra everything under "graphics setting" is unplayable ~ 20fps. Ultra everythingin 2k hovers around 35-50fps depending on options. Running latest beta drivers which are optimised for GTA5. I also turned off all settings under "post processing". Very disappointing performance on amd cards. Whereas dragon age inquisition and gta5 runs in 4k flawlessly (60fps+)
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- rust @ deesee76 on May 27, 2015 5:42 AM
  I think its a game code problem. From patch 1.04 i see gpu utilisation goes up from 60% to ~75% in about 5 mins even standing still. Than it goes sometimes to 85%-90% when in fight. When i take a ride on a horse a few hundred meters it goes down to 56-60%. And and again the same thing over and over. You can stand in the same place still and have stable 56% or stable 75% and sometimes 80%. It pomps up gpu utilisation too slowly for some reason.
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athlona May 27, 2015 8:28 AM
The Witcher 3:-

Email from CD Projekt Red Support this response is totally useless to me why are these company’s not working together as there are only two real GPU manufactures out there on PC??? This is the main reason the PC gaming industry is in such a mess. AMD really need to chance their drivers as we believe as and when! To drivers even if it a BETA not every month but just before a AAA release comes out or to fix issues as they arise . And for Nvidia drivers only make the effort for the latest GPUs on the market Kepler runs worse now to poorly written drivers or is it on propose?
I have just made the move from The GREEN Team a month ago from a Nvidia Titan due mainly from me purchasing a 40” 4K Display and it couldn’t drive this Resolution. So the only other Team is Team RED to a 295x2 much faster card from my Titan for sure but Drivers are so poor indeed.
All we ask for are Drivers from both AMD & Nvidia that work for the latest AAA games on release date and Crossfire & SLI work without issues that is in a NUT shell! Not hard as we all pay a lot for our GPUs

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- theeinar @ athlona on Jun 1, 2015 2:57 AM
  Hi. Have you Still Got Flashing, Flickering with CrossFire after Drivers update?
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theonlydoor Jun 14, 2015 8:05 AM
yes. its horrible on AFR and irritating on default. Iether options breaks immersion and is therfore game breaking for me.
Need beta 15.6 asap
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dariusverdon Jun 15, 2015 3:55 AM
Hey guys,

I had this exact issue and I seem to have found a weird solution (or workaround?) that at least works for me. I have AFR enabled and all of the settings that AMD recommended, and I had the 15.5 beta driver installed--the flickering would still happen. I got extremely frustrated and reinstalled the 15.5 beta drivers just before playing the Witcher 3--with all of those settings still set up in Catalyst, and the flickering goes away. This has worked for me every time since; if I reboot my computer I reinstall 15.5 beta drivers, hop on the Witcher 3 and it works without issue.

I have absolutely no idea why this works, and why the flickering comes back after a reboot, but I figured I would post it somewhere on the forums and maybe it'll help someone out.

Specs:
Operating System: Windows 7 SP1 64 bit
RAM: 16 GB G.SKILL Ripjaws
Processor: AMD FX 9590 Eight Core Processor
Graphics Cards: Two AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series (Crossfire)
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tekkiaussie Jun 15, 2015 9:05 AM
While this is not specifically about CrossFire/SLI, here are a couple interesting reads about Witcher 3 on Nvidia/AMD cards and the over all performance on each. I find it very interesting that while the GTX 980 has slightly higher performance, in real time benchmarks it does not majorly "out perform" the R9 290X as would be expected by some people.

Also these pages show that all graphics cards have major FPS issues when using certain in game graphics features, and these issues are not limited to AMD cards.

http://wccftech.com/witcher-3-initial-benchmarks/

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Benchmarked: Graphics & CPU Performance - TechSpot

Also, if anyone can find any information which shows that SLI cards out perform CrossFire cards, I would be more then interested.
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24bit Jun 15, 2015 9:29 AM
AMD is never going to address this no matter what they tell anyone here. I play on crossfire 290x's and the flickering is annoying as all hell, but I deal with it because the game is so good. AMD WILL NEVER fix this, their last update was a year ago. What makes you think they would invest time into releasing a total fix for this when their last update was on December 9th of 2014. They gave a Beta driver to help a bit, but didn't fix the flickering and crossfire issues. CD red released six patches for the game since it has been out, these guys care about their product. AMD doesn't. They are releasing their 300 series soon, why would they care about 200 series problems right now?

I'm a huge AMD fan, I like my 290x's, but jeez AMD do something already. You make yourselves look every day you fail to address this issue. Right now everyone knows not to buy AMD 290x's to run in crossfire because it blinks non stop in the witcher 3. So, everyone is going to buy the 980ti instead which doesn't have the issue. Regardless if Nvidia did something to sabatoge amd gpu's for the game, we are roughly a month into this with no fix in sight.
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- Cornugon @ 24bit on Jun 15, 2015 9:59 AM
  24bit schreef:
  
  AMD is never going to address this no matter what they tell anyone here. I play on crossfire 290x's and the flickering is annoying as all hell, but I deal with it because the game is so good. AMD WILL NEVER fix this, their last update was a year ago. What makes you think they would invest time into releasing a total fix for this when their last update was on December 9th of 2014. They gave a Beta driver to help a bit, but didn't fix the flickering and crossfire issues.
  This again... sigh...
  
  First of all: december 2014 was not a year ago, but seven months (there's a bit of a difference here).
  Secondly: despite the name those beta drivers ARE the official ones by AMD. The only difference between these and 'official' WHQL drivers is that the latter has been tested by som e small Microsoft team which costs two weeks extra or something. And yes the 'competition' releases drivers more often, but there are plenty of complaints these so-called 'game-ready' drivers causing issues for several users, breaking stuff in this or that game, or crippling Kepler performance. WHQL and all...
  
  Just have a bit of patience: The Witcher 2's Crossfire also didn't work right after release, and I had to wait a few weeks when it was finally fixed. Now it runs excellent.
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  - 24bit @ Cornugon on Jun 16, 2015 1:11 AM
    Oh jeez! 7 months, not 12. Whoa, that's a serious difference. That makes it fine now I guess, right? 7 months is okay, but 12? Thats just too far man. Too far. Excuse me for needing to be accurate with the date, since you couldn't detect the core basis to my statement even though I gave you the accurate date for the last driver update.
    
    Amd isn't ever going to fix this issue for the reasons I mentioned. The 300 series is on the way, the 390 is the 290 with 8gb so it will have the exact same issues and driver basic structure. 7 months later, this game called the Witcher 3 comes out and AMD knows it has these problems, they don't address them. Their primary concern was a boost in fps, not the epilepsy inducing flashing of textures while running 290x's in crossfire. We then get an update that fixed performance issues and one that ignored the flashing. CDred stated its AMD who isn't playing ball with them, not the other way around. The proof here that this is true is the length at which this fix has taken so far, it is blatantly obvious you may not have Witcher 3 for the pc or have not kept up with them in the slightest. They are all over social media addressing concerns and that they are worried and don't want AMD owners to have a bad experience with their game. AMD has done none of that.
    
    But hey guys don't worry just be patient, because 7 months without a fix is just fine right? Be patient, because everything AMD is doing right now makes it really seem like they care about fixing it right? CDred puts out 6 patches in the span of a few weeks since the games release, responds to everyone who emails them and addresses the concerns, shares the concerns and has said AMD isn't responding. You know how you fix this? CALL CDred. You have phones, you have email, cdred has a facebook and twitter account. AMD's execs haven't used any of these methods to contact them it seems. Wanna know how you get their attention AMD?
    
    Make a post on reddit asking CDred to contact you. CDred is all over Reddit, you'll catch their attention if you aren't able to get them on the phone for some insane reason. Lets be real here, as much of an amd fanboy as I am this garbage needs to stop with blaming CDred and NVidia for the driver woes. AMD takes the better end of a year to dish out a driver, they just don't have a crack team of devs on this and don't want to hire anyone to do a great job staying updated. So, how any of you can expect a fix for this is beyond me. The 300 series is on the way and AMD is going to invest 100% of their efforts into that. Not fixing two year old gpu drivers for a brand new game. 15.5b was released, and that is all we are going to get until December of this year.
    
    7 months minimum is my ETA for a patch that fixes the flickering for the Witcher 3. By that time, Nvidia would have released 2 new gpu generations, price on the 980TI would drop, 980's would drop and AMD will still be charging the same price for their 390, which is the same gpu as the 290 but with 8gb instead of 4. You all know this to be true, their marketing trends and untimely dispatching of updates and drivers speaks for itself.
    
    or, I could be wrong and the patch will come soon, who knows. I can only hope. AMD, don't make me sell your gpu's just because you refuse to get on this quickly. I love my 290x's. They are cheaper together in crossfire than the new 980TI that doesn't perform as well as them. So, for the love of god invest some manhours into this please for your fans and support base.
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    - tekkiaussie @ 24bit on Jun 16, 2015 6:31 AM
      I don't really understand. From what I know of math, there is a large difference between 7 months and 12 Months (or 1 year). 7 Months is only around 60% of 12 Months. So yes, "that is a serious difference".
      
      Next you are claiming that AMD could have been working on fixing CrossFire Issues with Witcher 3 for the last 7 months? So they should have started working on CrossFire Issues in December, 2014, 6 months before the game was release?
      
      But even this math is not good enough. Next you slide in a statement that AMD drivers are "two year(s) old".
      
      So between switching between, no new drivers for 12 Months (1 Year) , then saying that is the same as 7 Months, and next saying that the drivers are 2 years old, it seems you are a little mixed up. Please come back when you have some facts.
      
      Really all I can do is laugh at the "miss-information" you post. Your thought process is truly amazing. You really are missing your talent. You should be a politician.
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      - Cornugon @ tekkiaussie on Jun 16, 2015 7:57 AM
        I was wondering how I should react to that post, but you did a marvellous job in your reply, tekkiaussie! I couldn't have said it better myself.
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athlona Jun 15, 2015 2:34 PM
Yep AMD are very unlikely to get The Witcher 3 working with Crossfire any time soon... So AMD left me no choose to the make a move to ther GREEN TEAM and i`ll say my new Nvidia 980 Ti 4K Ultra settings with Hairworks 35-45 FPS and at them FPS runs smooth as butter... 300 card you`ll only be left with the same issues if you go crossfire even with the new Gen!!! Nvidia work a lot closer with game developers for sure... Bye Bye RED TEAM Hello GREEN TEAM miss my 295x2
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